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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Wardaddy454
Sure. The real socialists within that early communist party were clear in their warnings against Stalin, that he should never ever be allowed near the top of that party. But that did not happen and the ''elites'' who said the right words and held enough power among their own within that party took over and the rest is sad, very sad, history.
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Wardaddy454
They are Communist. Because the idea of a "real" Communist utopia never has, nor ever will exist.
One thing, yes a real Communist utopia has never and never will exist. And don't get me wrong here, what I quibble with here is not what they are, but rather what we call them. If we call them commies and such then we use names that are fantasy because as you point out there never was a real communist utopia. What there was was a failed communist state that had been taken over by despots and turned into their own enterprise to utilize in their affairs with the rest of the capitalist system.
My real objection to calling these oligarchs and totalitarians ''communist'' and ''socialist'' is that it removes from discussion even the idea that there is something seriously lacking in the capitalist system itself. As long as we can call it something else we do not look at capitalism with a critical eye and THAT is what I think we need to do.
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Wardaddy454
Be more like Canada and Europe? Are you not seeing what's happening in france and Britain and Canada isnt even close to what some are proposing in the states. The US is in a league of their own, sorry to day you gotta sort your stuff out before calling put the rest of us.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: mobiusmale
I am just amazed if Democrats are as bad as you Retardicans claim how did the Democrats take back control of the House. If the elections are not rigged then the Retardicans must be completely incompetent. With all the out-of-control gerrymandering it just seems impossible for the Democrats to be able to win any majority.
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
My real objection to calling these oligarchs and totalitarians ''communist'' and ''socialist'' is that it removes from discussion even the idea that there is something seriously lacking in the capitalist system itself. As long as we can call it something else we do not look at capitalism with a critical eye and THAT is what I think we need to do.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: mobiusmale
I am just amazed if Democrats are as bad as you Retardicans claim how did the Democrats take back control of the House.