The International Bankers

This topic thread is dedicated to talking about the history and current activity of the international bankers and their relationship to the establisment of a global world order.

*** Special Thanks to member AlwaysLearning for the link ***

Below is a link to the February 13th edition of Spyman's internet radio broadcast. Sydney White a professor of propaganda at the Free University of Toronto is his guest. She speaks on the timeline of the International Bankers from the eighteenth century untill the present day. She goes in depth into the relationship the International Bankers have played in investments, wars and assassinations of history and provides a clear picture of their ambitions.

Play Time: About 1 hour 40 minutes

www.spyman.ca...

If you had the chance to listen to the mp3 I hope you can add your opinions here. If this was something you already knew or the first time to hear about some of these things, please add to the discussion.

I have two main questions regarding the bankers involvement in establisihing the New Global Order (NGO??)

(1) White talked about the bankers being a scam from the beginning. Writing words on paper said worth the value of gold and silver and over time talking all the gold and silver of the world. Is this accurate?

(2) And if iso, when or what event tipped the scale of balance valuing the bankers notes over gold and silver?

Originally posted by 00PS
Writing words on paper said worth the value of gold and silver and over time talking all the gold and silver of the world. Is this accurate?

Using coin or paper money need not have anything to do with international bankers. I don't recall the money that the US states printed being backed by international banks. As far as using it to get the worlds gold, thats obviously not working, and indeed, can't, since most money is no longer tied to the value of gold or silver.

when or what event tipped the scale of balance valuing the bankers notes over gold and silver?

Well, coins were minted by states in the ancient world and sometimes their value, or at least exchange value, had to be set by the state, but there weren't any banks, let alone international ones, at the time. The Spartans, famously, used iron bars as their currency, rather than gold or any precious metal.

This site notes that:
806 AD: Paper Currency
The first paper banknotes appeared in China. In all, China experienced over 500 years of early paper money, spanning from the ninth through the fifteenth century. Over this period, paper notes grew in production to the point that their value rapidly depreciated and inflation soared. Then beginning in 1455, the use of paper money in China disappeared for several hundred years. This was still many years before paper currency would reappear in Europe, and three centuries before it was considered common.

Interstingly it notes:

1816: The Gold Standard
Gold was officially made the standard of value in England in 1816. At this time, guidelines were made to allow for a non-inflationary production of standard banknotes which represented a certain amount of gold. Banknotes had been used in England and Europe for several hundred years before this time, but their worth had never been tied directly to gold. In the United States, the Gold Standard Act was officialy enacted in 1900, which helped lead to the establishment of a central bank

With the gold standard begining to end around 1930. So the gold standard just barely lasts 100 years. Either way, the use of paper money doesn't result in the 'hoarding' of gold in an international bank reserve, especially when the money has nothing to do with gold.

Even when coins were worth the gold they were made out of, states collected large reserves, and very very little coinage/gold was actually in circulation, with the people prefering to hoard coins rather than spend. Using paper money results in greater circulation of wealth.

Here is an essay written by Ben Franklin on the subject of paper money
I found it on the below page

Source
In addition to the State issues, a number of public banks began issuing loans in the form of paper money secured by mortgages on the property of the borrowers. In these early cases the term "bank" meant simply the collection or batch of bills of credit issued for a temporary period. If successful, reissues would lead to a permanent institution or bank in the more modern sense of the term. One of the best examples was the Pennsylvania Land Bank which authorized three series of note issues between 1723 and 1729. This bank received the enthusiastic support of Benjamin Franklin who in 1729 published his Modest Enquiry into the Nature and Necessity of a Paper Currency. His advocacy did not go unrewarded as the Pennsylvania Land Bank awarded Franklin the contract for printing its third issue of notes.

In response to your second question:

Please visit the site linked in the second paragraph for the complete story - well worth the time!


How money came into being--as an alternative to Barter....a Scenario.
Larry Hannigan

Fabian was excited as he once more rehearsed his speech for the crowd certain to turn up tomorrow. He had always wanted prestige and power and now his dreams were going to come true. He was a craftsman working with silver and gold, making jewelry and ornaments, but he became dissatisfied with working for a living. He needed excitement, a challenge, and now his plan was ready to begin.

For generations the people used the barter system. A man supported his own family by providing all their needs or else he specialised in a particular trade. Whatever surpluses he might have from his own production, he exchanged or swapped for the surplus of others....

From:

No one realised that as a whole, the country could never get out of debt until all the coins were repaid, but even then, there were those extra 5 on each 100 which had never been lent out at all. No one but Fabian could see that it was impossible to pay the interest - the extra money had never been issued, therefore someone had to miss out.

To:

He planned that eventually some people would misplace their cards and be unable to buy or sell anything until a proof of identify was made. He wanted a law to be passed which would give him ultimate control - a law forcing everyone to have their identification number tattooed onto their hand. The number would be visible only under a special light, linked to a computer. Every computer would be linked to a giant central computer so that Fabian could know everything about everyone.

Thank you very much for that story, it was great. Although fiction, it talks about the ambitions very clearly of the international bankers. Did anyone get a chance to listen to the Mp3 yet??

Actually NGO = Non Governmental Organization. You are right about the Money Scene however. The "FED" (Reserve - not actually part of our Constitutional Government - nobody "Elected" Allan Greenspan) so radically changed the appearance of the 1996 Series Cash Notes/Bills (it even looked as if a Foreign European Entity had taken over the U.S. Government) - I am surprised that more people didn't Notice & Resist! Guess most Americans are Stupid after all!

[edit on 23-2-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Actually NGO = Non Governmental Organization. You are right about the Money Scene however. The "FED" (Reserve - not actually part of our Constitutional Government - nobody "Elected" Allan Greenspan) so radically changed the appearance of the 1996 Series Cash Notes/Bills (it even looked as if a Foreign European Entity had taken over the U.S. Government) - I am surprised that more people didn't Notice & Resist! Guess most Americans are Stupid after all!

[edit on 23-2-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Well not all Americans are stupid...NGO is an abbreviation I know. It was just an irony that the New World Order will be above and outside the realm of any existing goverment so therfore it's kinda funny that a new global order is also a non-govermental orginization...anyways.

I would like to see some of the symbols the bankers used in the 1700's on their gold stamped coins in Europe.

00PS - I was being Sarcastic Dude! I am an American & while I admit there are plenty of Stupid & Gullible Americans - there are also plenty of Intelligent & Free Thinking Americans! I consider myself an
"American Intellectual" & there are plenty of other people that I consider my Peers that I associate with!

In addition I have ran into various people Here on ATS who believe that if you say that you are a Christian then you must Automatically be some sort of Ignorant Naive Idiot! They are Mistaken! Although there are many Vulgarians in the World who will Speak & Act in an Uncivilized Barbaristic Manner & then call themselves "Christians" (also seen here on ATS & many other Web Forums) - this is not always the case - there are plenty of Cultured & Intelligent/Literate & Non-Dogmatic Christians in the World - I speak to them all the time! I am an "American Christian" as well as an "American Mystic" as well as an "American Intellectual"!