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originally posted by: alphabetaone
originally posted by: howtonhawky
Do you get it? When the admin says the policy is catch and release then that is directing people to come over here by any means and find a border guard and they would be released.
With respect to the Catch and Release policy, I absolutely do get it. I was dealing more with the now...not the before General Kelly as Homeland Security Secretary decided to do away with Catch and Release.
So no you are also incorrect in stating that it has always been illegal to come here without papers because the laws states unless otherwise directed by an official...i referenced the law in a post to the redneck
That's true, it hasn't ALWAYS been illegal to come here without papers, I have to cede that point, but it also wasn't always illegal to have PoC as slaves too.
This may seem off-topic, but bear with me and I'll try to make it make sense. I'm a huge fan of I Love Lucy eipsodes. It's likely that I know all of them by heart yet still love watching them. In one particularly memorable episode, a reference is made to the US Census, where there are 180 million people in the US. That was 1956....geologically speaking a very short amount of time. That was 62 years ago, In 62 years we've almost doubled that amount to 330+ million. My point? Well, I don't know what the population was circa 1776, however, in that 180 years we developed a 180 million population. In the following 62 years, almost doubled THAT. So it's clear that we need some restrictions simply to avoid no jobs and no resources. The founding fathers I doubt ever envisioned a time where the people wanting to come here would ever surpass the lands ability to accommodate them. I'm CERTAIN they never planned on almost doubling life expectancy, which also plays a part.
There are so many moving parts to it all, it almost impossible to comprehend.
It shows us clearly that an immigration official can direct immigrants where ever they see fit just as they did under obama.
Would you care to address the underhanded tactic of changing policy in the middle of the night in an attempt to entrap more immigrants.
Any self respecting leader would have gave a warning that the policy would be changed so as not to be inhumane.
You want to sneak in the open borders, it won't be allowed. I don't need a court hearing to kick a trespasser off my house, nor should the U.S as a country need one either.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Xenogears
They're applying for asylum:
The woman — identified in court as Carmen — is a plaintiff in a lawsuit filed this week against the administration by the American Civil Liberties Union over efforts to prevent immigrants from seeking asylum because of domestic and gang violence in their home countries. The lawsuit asks the judge to invalidate Sessions’ June 11 decision to restrict the kinds of cases that qualify for asylum.
I have to assume that there's no reasonable discussion that's going to be possible now - since some people seem to think asylum seeker is just another term for illegal immigrant
Just like everyone complains about the rich using loopholes for taxes, the immigrants are likely to be doing the same.
The United States recognizes the right of asylum of individuals as specified by international and federal law. A specified number of legally defined refugees who apply for refugee status overseas, as well as those applying for asylum after arriving in the U.S., are admitted annually.
As noted in the article specifically about asylum and refugees in the United States, since World War II, more refugees have found homes in the U.S. than any other nation and more than two million refugees have arrived in the U.S. since 1980. During much of the 1990s, the United States accepted over 100,000 refugees per year, though this figure has recently decreased to around 50,000 per year in the first decade of the 21st century, due to greater security concerns. As for asylum seekers, the latest statistics show that 86,400 persons sought sanctuary in the United States in 2001.[20] Before the September 11 attacks individual asylum applicants were evaluated in private proceedings at the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS).
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Just like everyone complains about the rich using loopholes for taxes, the immigrants are likely to be doing the same.
This is why they deserve due process. It's pretty simple really
But, taking it all a step further, I lose a lot of respect for people that want to assume first and ask questions later:
Right of asylum
The United States recognizes the right of asylum of individuals as specified by international and federal law. A specified number of legally defined refugees who apply for refugee status overseas, as well as those applying for asylum after arriving in the U.S., are admitted annually.
As noted in the article specifically about asylum and refugees in the United States, since World War II, more refugees have found homes in the U.S. than any other nation and more than two million refugees have arrived in the U.S. since 1980. During much of the 1990s, the United States accepted over 100,000 refugees per year, though this figure has recently decreased to around 50,000 per year in the first decade of the 21st century, due to greater security concerns. As for asylum seekers, the latest statistics show that 86,400 persons sought sanctuary in the United States in 2001.[20] Before the September 11 attacks individual asylum applicants were evaluated in private proceedings at the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS).
This mass immigration is not going to let up any time soon. It's easy to see that some people are unwilling to look at the problem with compassion and instead are satisfied calling anyone wanting into our country a criminal
No human being is illegal
These folks spent thousands to get to the border from wherever. Maybe we should make it much more well known that they need to understand there will be a long process to get it done and they need to save up to pay for the resources used on the US side.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: toysforadults
There is an assumption that this woman is in the country illegally. But nowhere in the article does it say that.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Illegal - An illegal immigrant/alien is a person who has entered a country without government permission. Ergo , Also a Criminal . That Entails ANYONE who tries to Entr the Country WITHOUT PERMISSION Froggy.................
What proof do you have that the women in this case, an asylum seeker, entered the country without government permission, i.e. at the border crossing? Do you think that all asylum seekers are "illegals"?
Well, let's see.... She was being "deported." Legal United States citizens, by law and definition, cannot be "deported." Therefore, this women must have been, what we refer to under U.S. law, as an "illegal immigrant." Illegal immigration is against the law in the United States; it is a "law" and therefore when you break a "law," you are deemed what is known as a "criminal." I hope this little lesson has helped you understand things better.
Sorry for the late reply, but my new ISP finally hooked up my internet after being offline for a month.