Prophecy From 1622 About Cataclysm Of 2017? Reality check...

a reply to: Gaussq

In the 1980's I read a passage that I found while randomly turning pages in the bible that stated the following, "A false religion shall arise in the east and many shall follow it but do not be deceived", never found that passage again though I read through the whole section searching for it.
I will say this and it is truth.

Falun Gong is a false religion at least when followed as a religion, it does have benefits to the psychology as it is based on ancient mediation and focusing of the body the mind and the spirit energy's but it's religious element's are false, it is also a threat to the commies which is why they tried to ban it because it offers a competitor to there control of it's follower's psychology.

WakeUpBear - I have asked this question but do absolutely believe in God, my only answer is that he has to run the whole of creation and that is a darn sight larger than our perspective, he is working toward an ultimately truly good goal and is literally outside of the bound's of time as we perceive it, we want him to stop the pain and the suffering but you have to cut a tree to shape the wood, we think of him as infinite and maybe he is but also maybe God is simply a being of unimaginable ability's and power but still one that has limitation's, our universe with all it's flaw's may suggest this is the case, he can not for example simply destroy all evil because to do so he would have to put his hand into the universe and the universe from that perspective would be disrupted severely which mean's that it may be better and less harmful to let the infection spread because to cure it now would simply kill the patient to draw an analogy.
I believe of course he can do anything but it is not what I believe but what he believe's that is important on that matter.
So the god we each see is a very different person, the one you do not like I also find rather distasteful but the one I have rationalized to myself is someone I trust.
I suppose we shall find out or we shall not but in the end it seem's that it does not matter because what will be will be.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

God isn't loving if he doesn't control your life?

You guys need to make up your mind. One the hand, God is awful because He did controlling things like set down rules and standards and enforce them in the OT. On the other hand, God is awful because He doesn't give you paradise on earth and set down rules and standards and enforce them for you now.

Thing is that those rules and standards are all there, ready for you and everyone else to follow. What a loving God did is give you the choice. No one stops you from following those rules and standards except yourself. You want awful things to stop? Don't do them.

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
If God wanted to make some miracles happen perhaps he could actually stop all the bs?

Or is that expecting too much from a loving all powerful deity?

I would think that such a deity would, like any good parent, want his or her children to learn how to make their own miracles happen, rather than sit around wallowing in self pity waiting for someone to come and save them from themselves. What kind of loving parent doesn't from time to time allow lessons to occur naturally? After all...the very best lessons are learned through trial and error.

Maybe he or she simply decided to sit this one out. The prophecy says miracles will happen. It does not, however, specify from whence those miracles will manifest.😉

At some point when your child reaches teenage years, you've shown them how to drive and you let them take the wheel. If they wreck well you tried to show them how to drive too bad they were staring at their phones to miss the catastrophe...

Oddly I think that is where we are at as a species and civilization selfish know it all teens who don't need parents who know more than anyone and told our parents to ____ off! We are in charge! We don't need help (well some keep hoping Abrahamic Dad will come back and put an end to our shenanigans...)

Any doubts to this look at the Korean, Russian and American leaders for proof! Selfish and self-centered man-children...

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

The Old Testament was a Different God, the God of the Israelites.
When they failed him he opened his grace to all men through his son, Jesus and formed a new covenant.
The New Testament is the book of Christ.
The difference is monotheism vs a triune godhead of father, son and holy ghost/

That God didn't leave the picture, did he? I mean he didn't cease to exist or be a part of the whole?

a reply to: Raggedyman

Taking the Bible literally is the very last thing I do.

I actually believe there is a lot of importance in the scriptures. I just completely disagree with Christian narratives and religious interpretations of those ancient texts.

Something like this is eventually inevitable no matter what anyone believes or is offended by. Maybe not this year but who the heck knows? Humanity is in desperate need of a reset. The universal laws set in place eons ago don't give a damn about feels.

Humanity is to blame. Death is an illusion anyway so all angry God haters should focus on their own internal issues and get ready for the fireworks.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: Raggedyman

Taking the Bible literally is the very last thing I do.

I actually believe there is a lot of importance in the scriptures. I just completely disagree with Christian narratives and religious interpretations of those ancient texts.

Why argue against any of those interpretations as if they matter then? I don't say that aggressively but rather if you don't take it literally, (neither do I) but instead contextually why bother to even try and explain those literal translations?

I mean if you enjoy the debate and like to do it for fun I get it, but for purposes of actual discussion and sharing why not explain your interpretation or perspective and disregard the rest? I found that it becomes much more enjoyable, and not only will others learn more from you, you have a better chance of learning from others.

originally posted by: Jiggly
why does god wait till AFTER all the death, and chaos to do something about it?

Maybe because human life is a test to see what you choose with your free will? Your choices and actions now decide your future place of residence(heaven or hell as they say in religion).

I notice that a lot of people who are upset with God actually lack patience and have strong belief in themselves and human textbook science. In reality the earth is nothing in the endless Universe and the human eyes are practically blind as they can only see a few wavelengths among the infinite wavelength spectra. So I find it strange that many people have any opinions about the wisdom of the ultimate creator who is supposed to be as big as the whole Universe that he created based on his infinite wisdom. But of course, human beings are different, that´s a principle of the Universe that all beings have their own realm to create endless variety and it´s good that different opinions are presented to everyone.


Just my two cents.

a reply to: Catscratch

Just look for Beykirch´s book "Prophetenstimmen", you will most likely find it online or in some bookstore online.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Gaussq

In the 1980's I read a passage that I found while randomly turning pages in the bible that stated the following, "A false religion shall arise in the east and many shall follow it but do not be deceived", never found that passage again though I read through the whole section searching for it.
I will say this and it is truth.

Falun Gong is a false religion at least when followed as a religion, it does have benefits to the psychology as it is based on ancient mediation and focusing of the body the mind and the spirit energy's but it's religious element's are false, it is also a threat to the commies which is why they tried to ban it because it offers a competitor to there control of it's follower's psychology.

I dont know why you would like to change topic and attack Falun Gong here but thats your own choice.

About the Bible please feel free to quote that passage. In fact there are two spiritual faiths spread to the West from Asia in modern times. One is Dalai Lama´s marxist version of Buddhism whereby he holds initiation rituals to the Kalachakra prophecy to westerners and charges a lot of money for that. He is also called "God-King" by our MSM media while he openly has stated that he is a marxist and an atheist. Dalai Lama also supports globalism and a world religion whereby he will be put on top of all religions.

The second faith from Asia is Falun Gong which is based on self improvement of body and soul by doing exercises as well as improving one´s actions in daily life by following Truth-Compassion-Tolerance. Falun Gong has no membership and no money and is all based on volunteer work. Falun Gong supports traditional culture and includes divine faith.

It´s up to each person to make his own judgments about what is upright and false.

a reply to: Gaussq

I was not trying to change the topic and my point is that though I read that passage I could never find it again so it was not really part of the bible just a message of some kind, I think you make a good point about the attempt to create a world government and state owned world religion as power mongers have always used and abused religion as a mechanism of control, that indeed is how the christian faith became warped away from it's more socialist origin to become a religion ruled by the elite for over a thousand years, in fact almost the opposite of what it was intended to be and began as.

Following Truth, Compassion and tolerance is a most noble goal and one that indeed is common to Christianity but as you also know truth is subjective BUT you can immediately see were a state that lives by giving its OWN truth would not like that particular emphasis.

And actually I took the message to mean Islam which of course was born east of Jerusalem the center of my christian oriented world view but it could mean any one of hundred's of different religion's that have originated in the east.

I like your explanation of Falun Gong, I am not tempted by it but do see it as having obvious merit and it could be the basis of a very humane and decent society so long as it stick's to that principle of truth and compassion, tollerance is an automatic outcome of these other two principle's.

Wakeupbeer has managed to derail this entire thread into a hypothetical argument about god.

Damn this makes my point about the problems with atheists...can't talk about anything without you turning into a diatribe about something you don't believe exists. While talking about it more than most preachers.

Talk about nuerological disorders, no one cares to hear the hypocrisy.

So wakeupbeer...please STFU and let it go. I was interested in this discussion about predictions, not your crying about silver spoon deprived straw man rants over something you dont think exists yet want to make every one else focus on in order to validate your paper thin denialist beliefs and excuses

a reply to: Catscratch

This is a forum for public debate. If you actually read the thread you would see I merely made one cheeky comment and everything else I posted was in response to other people addressing me. My opinions and how I came to them are just as valid to offer to the discussion. Some people aren't interested in echo chambers.

If I played a part in inadvertently derailing the thread, my apologies. Please allow me to attempt to redirect it back on the rails. The subject prophecy and prediction!

I would be curious of some prophecy and prediction that is confirmed to have come true. Do you happen to know of any Catscratch? No doubt you assume I'm just being a callous atheist, and maybe to an extent I fit that bill. But I am genuinely curious. I'm comfortable with my views being attacked and scrutinized.

So please, either shine some enlightenment my way or save your ad hominems for someone who doesn't get a wee bit of satisfaction from your cute little rants.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Perhaps I could have done a better job sharing my point of view.

Thanks for your advice sputnik.

Now this prophecy heats up even more as India Today predicts the big war to kick off in September!!

indiatoday.intoday.in...

originally posted by: Jiggly
why does god wait till AFTER all the death, and chaos to do something about it?

Simple. The excuse -er- reason is:

"humans have free will"

(but that was another concept within the construct, created as a generic answer to this 'problem' of monotheism. They've an answer for just about every 'thing'.)

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

The world is a video game and the joysticks are in the hands of the criminally insane which includes what humans call 'God'

From all standpoints,the bible seems to meet a list of control factors,do I believe we have a creator?,yes I do ,but what we are told is far from the truth,evidently one group was put on earth to rule it,and they have since the creation of the bible,it's a control of masses