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There are four mansions of life at Abydos, (each) is built four stories high and is internally covered with palm wood. There are four mansions of life, Osiris is master thereof.
The four houses are Isis, Nephthys, Seb and Nu. Isis is placed in one, Nephthys in another, Horus in one, Tahuti in another, at the four angles: Seb is above, Nu is below,
The four outer walls are of stone. It has two stories, its foundation is sand, its exterior is jasper, one is placed to the South, another to the North, another to the West, another to the East.
It is very hidden, unknown, invisible, nothing save the solar disk sees it. It escapes men that go there. The Sun's librarians, the Treasure Scribes are within.
It shall be very, very hidden. No one shall know it, no one see it. Apart from the solar disk that gazes on its secret. The officiating priests ... shall enter silently, their bodies veiled, So that they shall be protected against sudden death. The Asiatic may not enter, he may not see anything.
'your heka (words of power) are effective around the House of Books; your provisions come into existence from the House of Life'
Hieroglyphic inscriptions in the chamber identified as the House of Books of the Ptolemaic Period Edfu temple include one reference to Osiris as lord of Abydos and 'he who initiated the House of Life in the work of its lord'
'As for the books which are in it, they are the baw of Re, keeping alive this god (scil. Osiris), and overthrow his enemies." As for the people who enter into it, 'they are the staff of Re and the scribes of the House of Life, the followers of Re protecting his son Osiris every day.'
'of Thoth who is in the House of Life; I have not left unseen any of them all, in order to search out both great and small among the gods and goddesses, and I have found ... the entire Group of Gods, and all your forms are more mysterious than theirs'
'excellent of understanding like Thoth, he has entered the inscriptions like the creator of them, he has seen the writings of the House of Life'
in the Ptolemaic Period Edfu temple, the goddess Seshat is called 'lady of plans, lady of writings, foremost of the House of Life'; in the Hypostyle Hall at Karnak the same goddess is said to be 'amid the House of Life'
Others, such as Jan Assmann, have argued that the book describes the deceased as joining with the religious community of the living. Erik Hornungs' opinion on the matter, is that, in the Book of Traversing Eternity: the realm of the dead was brought into this life, and this other-worldly Egypt became the 'temple of the world'
Setne goes to the 'cemetery hill of Koptos with the priests of Isis and the high-priest of Isis; they spent three days and three nights searching in all the tombs that were on the cemetery hill of Koptos, turning over the stelae of the scribes of the House of Life, and reading the writings that were upon them'
Setne Kaemwas
This text seems to imply a belief in the existence of a group of nameless [shmw] deities who existed before the origin of the world, and who were believed to act as a single creating power…these powers are described as the Primaeval Ones…the lords of the light…The Ghosts, the Ancestors…These nameless Creators of the Earth seem to have been regarded as its original inhabitants
Then appeared on the scene a large company of divine beings…the whole company was then divided into four groups; each group was placed along one side of the bw-titi…Thereafter the snake was overthrown and the victorious gods are said to have settled beside him…The divine powers who were believed to have acted in this phase of creation were the deities who took part in the former process The Place-for-crushing resembled a ifdw [four sides] of the divine shelter (nwt) within that domain
The Island of the Egg
'this is a secret book in the House of Life, not to be seen by any eye, the secret book of the Overthrow of Aapep'
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
In a follow up to the considerations on the Book of Thoth it is worth considering the scribal institution that the initiates of such belonged to,
namely The House of Life, a mysterious place that was suggested as invisible to the uninitiated, a precursor of The Invisible College, according to Late Period papyrus Salt 825.
There are four mansions of life at Abydos, (each) is built four stories high and is internally covered with palm wood. There are four mansions of life, Osiris is master thereof.
(etc)
It is very hidden, unknown, invisible, nothing save the solar disk sees it. It escapes men that go there. The Sun's librarians, the Treasure Scribes are within.
...but there is also the more mysterious tradition that the works contained therein were sacred books referred to as Souls (bA.w) of Re, of which there were generally seven.
The House of Life contained secret, magical writings which they had composed or copied and which were said to have the power to renew and sustain life and further the rebirth of Osiris at his annual festival. The significance of the House of Life and the rituals performed there was universal. Like the temples it stood for the whole creation, just as the reborn Osiris symbolized eternal life in general.
Thoth was closely related to the House of Books and Life as custodian, but there is also a deeper relationship suggested were Thoth assimilates with script itself and knowledge;
What then was involved with this seemingly other worldly basis for an invisible House of Life
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
Of course scribes were initiated into mysteries
When it comes to the seven souls of Amun-Re that is clear reference to an idealized abstraction rather than the actual number of books in a given institution,
that is also the case in the Abydos ideogram, i agree that in general practical terms the House of Life was simply enclosed behind high walls beyond public viewing, but there was also the idealized basis for that which involved entrance into the realm of the invisible and Divine.
Thoth was certainly understood as operative within the House of Life, not necessarily foremost, the prominence of Khnum is interesting though as that will generally relate to the manipulation of form.
In Egypt's declining years Amen-Re is addressed as Hidden ba, who is revered, at the same time Bes Pantheos, a seven-headed daemon was a manifestation of the power of Amen-Re:
Bes with seven heads: he embodies the ba's of Amen-Re
On many magical gems and other monuments an Egyptian god appears , whose head is decorated with many animal heads or even with vegetal elements. This god has been known in Egyptian iconography since the first millenium BC. His name varies. In modern literature he is labeled as Pantheos, Bes Pantheos, or a polymorphic god. Sometimes he is depicted with seven or nine heads. The speculations of theologists of the Imperial Age connected this god to the Orphic traditions, as is proved by the inscription on a gem from Byblos. He was considered a creator god, after whom all the living beings in the world were shaped
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
A satire is perhaps not the best guide
and the scribes of the House of Life were a distinct group,
but you're right about this all sort of sounding a little Christian, with regards to the House of Life sounding suspiciously like the New Jerusalem and that's why i would insist there's the element of the mysterious.
The Temple set four square the proportions of which are carefully measured and the occupants therein carefully counted also found in such works as the Qumran Temple Scroll, but the basis for that is found even in the configuration of the tribal encampment in the Wilderness and the flight from Egypt, it was always an aspect of Hebrew tradition and closely related to their scribal practise, which suggests to me that it was derived from Egypt and that from around the time of the 18th Dynasty.
It's also the case that the Egyptian tradition itself could begin to sound a little Mesopotamian, that it is based in their Field constellation
and Osiris to the Egyptians is representative of the Tree of Life
seven heads of Amun Re
would relate to the tradition of the seven sages and their establishment of scribal practise in Mesopotamian tradition.
In Egypt's declining years Amen-Re is addressed as Hidden ba, who is revered, at the same time Bes Pantheos, a seven-headed daemon was a manifestation of the power of Amen-Re:
Bes with seven heads: he embodies the ba's of Amen-Re
On many magical gems and other monuments an Egyptian god appears , whose head is decorated with many animal heads or even with vegetal elements. This god has been known in Egyptian iconography since the first millenium BC. His name varies. In modern literature he is labeled as Pantheos, Bes Pantheos, or a polymorphic god. Sometimes he is depicted with seven or nine heads. The speculations of theologists of the Imperial Age connected this god to the Orphic traditions, as is proved by the inscription on a gem from BAyblos. He was considered a creator god, after whom all the living beings in the world were shaped
That dates back at least to the Persian period and therefore is somewhat Babylonian, the Persians are recorded as restoring the House of Life the concept likely introduced then
A potter God such as Khnum that had nothing to do with manipulation of form would be a very poor potter God.
the genealogical relationship to antediluvian sages extended to all scholars as a class Focusing on the ummânù, the implication of the text is rather clear: the human, post-diluvian scholars are the direct professional descendants of the earlier semi-divine apkallu
The statement in the Qumran fragment that “the gardeners were water-ing” ( gnnyn hww’ mšqyn ) may be an allusion to the initial educational mission of the Watchers. There is also a reference to “great shoots” springing up from the roots of the trees in the fragment , which indicate the birth of the Giants.
From the comparative perspective, both the educational mission of the Watchers and likening them to “gardeners” make perfect sense.
On Neo-Assyrian palace reliefs and seals, the famous apkallus as fish-cloaked men or as eagle-headed winged creatures are very often associated with the Tree of Life.
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
I have read it and you're failing to understand the difference between scribes in The House of Life and other general scribal professions and roles, they generated Egyptian religion through the production of original texts, as well as compiling and copying previous, in order to generate new religious expression involved practise beyond normative scribal activity.
The Seven Mesopotamian sages tradition pre-dates the Egyptian were the original were Ante-Diluvian and non-human
The tradition of the House of Life established at Abydos is only one branch of a greater tradition, and for example the scribal Goddess Seshat is very limited in expression compared to her Sumerian counterpart Nisaba, were the tradition has far more depth and rationale.
The idealized House of Life of Abydos is very much like the idealized Temple of the Qumran scroll, with regards to the inner court, and related to that Field constellation such as seen at Dendera on the ceiling zodiac;
Qumran was the last gasp really of Hebrew scribal tradition, a twig that grew from the Egyptian branch, they could have explained to you the significance of Osiris, who was only ever concerned with the living;
From the comparative perspective, both the educational mission of the Watchers and likening them to “gardeners” make perfect sense.
On Neo-Assyrian palace reliefs and seals, the famous apkallus as fish-cloaked men or as eagle-headed winged creatures are very often associated with the Tree of Life.
Bes Pantheos dates back to the Perisan Period, the term is modern, highly complex ideas are involved with regards to the Mehen serpent and Ouroboros, probably best avoided.
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
That was my point wasn't it that the House of Life scribes weren't your regular scribes, and they are credited with producing original text, sourced through mysterious methods.
What was actually involved with Bes Pantheos is that they attributed the seven souls or auras to him in the same manner that Humbaba in Mesopotamian religion was associated with them,
these are seven auras imminent within nature, sublime essence in lowly form,
there is a case that can be made that Bes was the Egyptian equivalent of Humbaba
so it was natural he could be associate with such,
there's no point keep saying it was Ptolemaic when it obviously wasn't.
because the Field constellation in Mesopotamia and as seen at Dendera was a basic unit of measure that could be subdivided, it was all about units, the numbers that could be contained therein, like the New Jerusalem.
The major distinction with regards to the Hebrew scribal tradition is that they set themselves in opposition to all the others and declared absolute authority, there's a very strong case can be made that elements of such emerged from Egypt post-Amarna period as renegade Atenists and took up with the Habiru.
The new tablet continues where other sources break off, and we learn that the Cedar Forest is no place of serene and quiet glades. It is full of noisy birds and cicadas, and monkeys scream and yell in the trees,... In a parody of courtly life, the monstrous Humbaba treats the cacophony of jungle noises as a kind of entertainment
New Gilgamish passage
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
The field constellation as the Pegasus square is seen in association with Pisces at Dendera, a plowed and irrigated field, in Mesopotamia the Field constellation related to specific units of area and measure in it's Earthly correspondence of the mundane field, the measure for such a field was 60 ĝiri3 × 60 ĝiri3, were a ĝiri3 or step measure was reckoned as 2 cubits, so the field measure was also 120 x 120 cubits with 14,400 area.
That corresponds to Mesopotamia;
He was entitled "the renewal of the life" of the Memphite deity Ptah: but after death he became Osorapis, i.e. the Osiris Apis, just as dead humans were assimilated to Osiris, the ruler of the underworld.
This Osorapis was identified with Serapis of the late Hellenistic period and may well be identical with him. Creating parallels to their own religious beliefs, ancient Greek writers identified Apis as an incarnation of Osiris, ignoring the connection with Ptah.
Also, according to Tacitus, Serapis (i.e., Apis explicitly identified as Osiris in full) had been the god of the village of Rhakotis before it expanded into the great capital of Alexandria.
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
The cult of Osiris-Apis bull representing the life force in the underworld and Earthly realm respectively was a long standing Memphite tradition, the Greeks only chose to emphasize it's importance and relate some of their own Deities to what was represented.
With regards to incubation practise seemingly taking place in the Serapeum and other crypts notably those of the Ibis as related to Thoth, then that presents a dichotmy were physical life force is present within a sacred environ reserved for the dead, and likely is related to contemplation of the mysteries of Osorapis and their popularity.
This Osorapis was identified with Serapis of the late Hellenistic period and may well be identical with him. Creating parallels to their own religious beliefs, ancient Greek writers identified Apis as an incarnation of Osiris, ignoring the connection with Ptah.
Also, according to Tacitus, Serapis (i.e., Apis explicitly identified as Osiris in full) had been the god of the village of Rhakotis before it expanded into the great capital of Alexandria.
By the Late Period Ptah had acquired a son who had been born an ordinary mortal, the Old Kingdom official Imhotep.
Taimhotep who lived during the reign of Ptolemy XII and had married Psherenptah, the high priest of Ptah at Memphis, wrote on her stela: I prayed together with the high priest to the majesty of the god great in wonders, effective in deeds, who gives a son to him who has none: Imhotep Son of Ptah....
In Egyptian mythology, Ptah was the chief god of Memphis, who created the Moon, the Sun, and the Earth. One tradition held that he had created all things from mud; another, that he spoke the names of all things and his will created them from his words.
His soul (or alternatively the soul of Osiris) was incarnated in Apis, the sacred bull of Memphis, believed to have been conceived by lightning on a moonbeam.
Two thousand years after his death, Imhotep's status was raised to that of a deity of medicine and healing. He was identified or associated with Thoth, the god of architecture, mathematics, medicine and patron of the scribes
'He is represented seated with a papyrus scroll across his knees, wearing a skullcap and a long linen kilt. We can interpret the papyrus as suggesting the sources of knowledge kept by scribes in the "House of Life". The headgear identifies Imhotep with Ptah, and his priestly linen garment symbolizes his religious purity.'
He was also associated with Amenhotep, son of Hapu, who was another deified architect in the region of Thebes where they were worshiped as "brothers" in temples dedicated to Thoth and later in Hermopolis following the syncretist concept of Hermes-Thot, a concept that led to another syncretic belief, that of Hermes Trismegistus and hermeticism. Imhotep was also linked to Asklepios by the Greeks.
Imhotep
The tombs which hold the Ibis run to many, many chambers - the numbers of birds found and still to be excavated has been estimated to run into many millions.
The huge numbers of birds mummified and buried here dates back to the Ptolemaic Period, pilgrims came to Saqqara to leave offerings (in the form of ibis mummies) in honour of the 3rd Dynasty architect Imhotep
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Byrd
No it was long standing the relationship of Ptah-Osiris to the Apis bull, seen as the manifestation of Ptah and going back to the First Dynasty, what occured under the Ptolemies is that Imhotep was identified as Nefertem son of Ptah.
Given that the Book of Thoth is considered to have had some relationship to the cult of Imhotep, there is also correspondence through Ptah with the generation of Life through words/script, also correspondence with Khnum in creating from mud.
During the Late Period Imhotep could also be seen as an equivalent of Thoth
(etc)
In essence then the cult of Serapis as that of Osiris-Apis was also very much a cult of Ptah, albeit represented through his son Nefertem/Imhotep, a cult of craftsmen and scribes and healers, learning in general, having associations with Thoth in terms of conservators of knowledge.