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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Prezbo369
Craig never says anything like that are you talking about his OT canninites speech?
Thats a pretty disengenius representation of what he said.
Moreover, if we believe, as I do, that God's grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children, the death of these children was actually their salvation. We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven's incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives.
I don't agree with him but he is a well respected scholar with hundreds of publications and peer review. Pretty much one of the leading theist philosophers in modern times.
How do you feel about Kinsey or Freud?
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Prezbo369
It's actually the entire field of philosophy that does.
I also am not angry and use ad hominem attacks.
Your arguements don't make sense and don't follow logic. Sorry man but iyour arguement fails.
Craig is not saying in anyway to murder children or people should murder children. You would loose that debate by any academic standpoint even among Atheists.
Moreover, if we believe, as I do, that God's grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children, the death of these children was actually their salvation. We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven's incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives.
And again what exactly makes me sound like an apologist. You need a new go to that makes sense this time.
Do apologists usually argue against Christianity?
Do you ever talk to people in a civil way who don't agree with everything you say?
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Prezbo369
Do you know what a strawman is apparently not. You said essentially Craig condones murder of children. He never said this. He is justifying his faith and that God can kill children. To him he does with every car accident etc. That is not condoning murder. It's rationalizing suffering. Again I don't believe that, meaning what he is saying or this premise at all.
I am saying you are angry and have hatred for theism. I understand the lack of logic in a book written by men bit you are so angry you can't have a rational arguement. Which is why wlc destroys many Atheists in debates. I think Harris is one that kept his composure and won the debate.
Have you contributed at all to the thread op? Do you know who Sam Harris is? I do I listen to almost all his podcasts.
I mostly consider myself a diestic atheist. I have explained my view of religion several times on this thread plain as day. I don't believe in theism.
Do you know what a Christian apologist is?
Not playing the victim you just keep labelling me things that make no sense out of anger. Thats rude.
I am on a cell otherwise I would point out every instance you have ignored rational arguement and played a name calling game.
Your arguements are very flawed. They come from anger and confusion.
originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: luthier
All that text and yet you didn't say anything.....
At this point the exchange is in a loop thanks to you repeating the same old straw men, fallacies and inaccuracies.
Maybe the most dishonest ATS member I've encountered (and that's saying something....)