Israel did 911 - all key players named

a reply to: Salander

Dov S. Zakheim was born in Brooklyn, wasn't he? He chose Israel as second nationality then?

[...]MITRE and Ptech, it's rather hard to see the line between the Israeli influence and the US government. Considering AIPAC[...]

I could equally state, that the neocon "transatlantic" network controls the west. And I think we would find more data to support that theory.

a reply to: intrptr

As promised, Dustification & Debralysis in the WTC7-explosions thread:

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a reply to: Salander

You do not seem to understand that YOU have been debunked.

Prove it, because these experts indicate that I am correct.

Fire, Not Extra Explosives, Doomed Buildings, Expert Says

A New Mexico explosives expert says he now believes there were no explosives in the World Trade Center towers, contrary to comments he made the day of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.

"Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail," said Van Romero, a vice president at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.

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Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse

"The aircraft moved through the building as if it were a hot and fast lava flow," Sozen says. "Consequently, much of the fireproofing insulation was ripped off the structure. Even if all of the columns and girders had survived the impact - an unlikely event - the structure would fail as the result of a buckling of the columns. The heat from an ordinary office fire would suffice to soften and weaken the unprotected steel. Evaluation of the effects of the fire on the core column structure, with the insulation removed by the impact, showed that collapse would follow whatever the number of columns cut at the time of the impact."

There are 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report.


Towers Weakened by Planes; Brought Down by Fire

Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, remember that there are123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.


Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and thecenter steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

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Did experts on the scene think WTC 7 was a controlled demolition?

Whom should we ask to find out if WTC 7’s collapse resembled an explosive demolition? How about asking the explosive demolition experts who were on the scene on 9/11? Brent Blanchard of Protec:

"Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event. We have spoken with several who possess extensive experience in explosive demolition, and all reported seeing or hearing nothing to indicate an explosive detonation precipitating the collapse.

As one eyewitness told us, "We were all standing around helpless...we knew full well it was going to collapse. Everyone there knew. You gotta remember there was a lot of confusion and we didn't know if another plane was coming...but I never heard explosions like demo charges.


WTC Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks 9/11 "Controlled Demolition" Theory

Indications of the Imminent Collapse of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove Explosives Theory


The World Trade Center's Steel Structure Was Buckling Before the Collapse

Police, Firemen and Civilians Saw Warning Signs of Collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11th 2001


The Structural Engineering Community Rejects the Controlled-Demolition Conspiracy Theory

The structural engineering community rejects the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Its consensus is that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives.

The American Society of Civil Engineers Structural Engineering Institute issued a statement calling for further discussion of NIST's recommendations, and Britain's Institution of Structural Engineers published a statement in May 2002 welcoming the FEMA report, noting

The structural engineering faculty at the university issued a statement which said that they "do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones". On September 22, 2005, Jones gave a seminar on his hypotheses to a group of his colleagues from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at BYU. According to Jones, all but one of his colleagues agreed after the seminar that an investigation was in order and the lone dissenter came to agreement with Jones' suggestions the next day.

Northwestern University Professor of Civil Engineering Zdeněk Bažant, who was the first to offer a published peer-reviewed theory of the collapses, wrote "a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives" as an exception. Bažant and Verdure trace such "strange ideas" to a "mistaken impression" that safety margins in design would make the collapses impossible. One of the effects of a more detailed modeling of the progressive collapse, they say, could be to "dispel the myth of planted explosives".

Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."


Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse

"The aircraft moved through the building as if it were a hot and fast lava flow," Sozen says. "Consequently, much of the fireproofing insulation was ripped off the structure. Even if all of the columns and girders had survived the impact - an unlikely event - the structure would fail as the result of a buckling of the columns. The heat from an ordinary office fire would suffice to soften and weaken the unprotected steel. Evaluation of the effects of the fire on the core column structure, with the insulation removed by the impact, showed that collapse would follow whatever the number of columns cut at the time of the impact."

911-engineers.blogspot.com...

And after 14 years, still no evidence of thermite nor explosives at ground zero.

a reply to: FlySolo

This is based on the thermitic materials paper by Jones, et al. The paper was poorly written, technically flawed and inconclusive.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Salander

Dov S. Zakheim was born in Brooklyn, wasn't he? He chose Israel as second nationality then?

[...]MITRE and Ptech, it's rather hard to see the line between the Israeli influence and the US government. Considering AIPAC[...]

I could equally state, that the neocon "transatlantic" network controls the west. And I think we would find more data to support that theory.

Yes, it's my understanding that Zakheim was born in Brooklyn, is a Rabbi among other academic qualifications, and went to work in the Pentagon when Reagan was in office. As a Gentile, it's my understanding that under certain conditions, Israeli citizenship is offered to certain Jews who are not born in Israel. I think Rahm Emanuel is in the same boat.

Yes, some sort of transatlantic network seems to control the west. Secret Societies are fairly common on this earth.

a reply to: skyeagle409

You yourself prove it, with just about every post you make here. The same tired old claims, repeated hundreds of times, prove that you have no knowledge at all of the many things learned in the 14 years that have transpired.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

well, speaking for myself, i might star and flag a thread or post which continues to question the OS. israel, the CIA/NSA, whoever. just that the baloney OS continues to be questioned is good enough for me without waiting to have watched the entire posted video. less confirmation bias, more supporting a worthy endeavour (keeping alive the questioning of the OS). truth doesn't care where the liar is, just what he is.

originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: FlySolo

This is based on the thermitic materials paper by Jones, et al. The paper was poorly written, technically flawed and inconclusive.

please feel free to write a 'better' one.

a reply to: Salander

You yourself prove it, with just about every post you make here. The same tired old claims, repeated hundreds of times, prove that you have no knowledge at all of the many things learned in the 14 years that have transpired.

Of course I have the knowledge, which is why I have repeatedly told truthers that they are incorrect.

If truthers did their homework, they would have determined for themselves that at no time were demo explosions heard as the WTC buildings collapsed. Instead, the truthers posted as a response to my post, known hoaxed videos of WTC1 and WTC7, and claims that no aircraft struck the WTC Towers and the Pentagon.

Never mind that wreckage from all four 9/11 were recovered at the crash sites with up to 95% of the wreckage of United 93 recovered.

Never mind that American Airlines announced the loss of American 11 and American 77, and United Airlines announced the loss of United 93 and United 175.

Never mind that radar tracked all four 9/11 aircraft were tracked to their targets. American 77 was tracked as an unidentified primary target until it reached the area near Pentagon where it was visually identified as a B-757 in the colors of American Airlines by a pilot of a C-130 near the area.

ATC asked the pilot of the C-130 to identify the aircraft that was painted as an unidentified primary target on ATC radar. Fast-forward in the following video to time line 22:50 and listen until time line 25:12.

American 77 - ATC Communitions Tape

Visual confirmation that the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was a B-757 in the colors of American Airlines.

Now, let's review this video.



To sum it up, the Israelis had nothing to do with the 9/11 terrorist attack because al-Qaeda has named the key players here.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: FlySolo

This is based on the thermitic materials paper by Jones, et al. The paper was poorly written, technically flawed and inconclusive.

please feel free to write a 'better' one.

Samples of the chips are not available and Jones won't release the ones he has, probably because he suspects that a real analysis would show that they were just paint. Jones' DSC was done in air, which cannot distinguish between combustion of the organics in the paint and a thermite reaction.

Please feel free to defend the data in Jones' paper.

originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: FlySolo

This is based on the thermitic materials paper by Jones, et al. The paper was poorly written, technically flawed and inconclusive.

please feel free to write a 'better' one.

Samples of the chips are not available and Jones won't release the ones he has, probably because he suspects that a real analysis would show that they were just paint. Jones' DSC was done in air, which cannot distinguish between combustion of the organics in the paint and a thermite reaction.

Please feel free to defend the data in Jones' paper.

Didn't LLNL perform their tests of nano-thermite in air? Which is why Jones tests were performed in air, so they could directly compare the results.

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: FlySolo

This is based on the thermitic materials paper by Jones, et al. The paper was poorly written, technically flawed and inconclusive.

please feel free to write a 'better' one.

Samples of the chips are not available and Jones won't release the ones he has, probably because he suspects that a real analysis would show that they were just paint. Jones' DSC was done in air, which cannot distinguish between combustion of the organics in the paint and a thermite reaction.

Please feel free to defend the data in Jones' paper.

Didn't LLNL perform their tests of nano-thermite in air? Which is why Jones tests were performed in air, so they could directly compare the results.

Yes, but Jones didn't consider that LLNL knew what they had made. Jones didn't know what he had and should have run his DSC under argon as a diagnostic for a reactive material. His data shows some, if not all, heat due to simple combustion rather than a thermite reaction. He claimed that he was going to publish a second paper with the proper analysis but never did. My guess is that the results wouldn't allow him to tour and lecture anymore when he had to admit that he found paint.

Paint-on thermite is not a likely suspect as the thermal mass of the beams is such that they wouldn't get warm much less melt when it was ignited. Jones is not a chemist.

a reply to: Salander

It is all very simple. Prove me wrong with scientific evidence and do so in front of everyone here.

When conspiracy theorist continued to claim that explosives were found in the van of the Israelis, I had to set the record straight with the following transcript.

News Conference: No explosives in Van

BERNARD KERIK, NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER:
I just got a confirmation from the Chief of Detectives, he's reach out to the FBI. They have confirmed that someone has been stopped in New Jersey, three men in a van. However, there was no explosives in the van.

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