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originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Cinrad
It's one thing to be poor and tell others to be poor. It's another to walk away from serious wealth and to be poor which is what I believe he did. Quite similar to sidhartha. (Among other things)
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Cinrad
It's one thing to be poor and tell others to be poor. It's another to walk away from serious wealth and to be poor which is what I believe he did. Quite similar to sidhartha. (Among other things)
originally posted by: Entreri06
I am not a Christian or a believer. However I don't see how Joseph of airemathea (Jesus's uncle) could be the third ritchest guy in judea and Jesus me poor.
originally posted by: Dr1Akula
He contributed nothing new or revolutionary in humanity... He just copied others
He introduced freedom of the spirit to groups of people who were enslaved He died for freedom for their souls. This was new to the people he touched. And what he taught perfected that which was floating around the area here and there. He drove it home.
Read some history
originally posted by: Dr1Akula
a reply to: zardust
so pacifists that they tortured pagan priests, skinned alive philosophers, persecuted all pagans, destroyed all knowledge that didn't suit their dogma(agenda), burned down libraries, destroyed temples, art, science and acted hatred in their societies hating everything and everyone they accused to be satanic in their pathetic ignorant and narrow minded dogmatic point of view, creating enemies everywhere....
Read some history
hahahaha
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Dr1Akula
That was all after Constantine. The first 300 years christians were the ones being fed to lions. Then it became part of empire. And then what you speak of is true.
originally posted by: Entreri06
He's right...... But let's keep it fair. Christianity is neither a bastion of morality nor a genocide factory.
Um ok. You obviously haven't read any actual history. Read about the Romans complaining that the christians were .
The book of revelation is not to be taken literally.
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Dr1Akula
you are wrong I'm sorry but what you are describing did not take place with early christians. Please, there is very diverse evidence outside of the bible that the early Christians were the opposite of what you are saying. They would leave the military yes. Why? Because they had become pacifists. It was the very nature of Jesus teaching. Yes christians (those involved in the institution that is the whore of Babylon) now and for the past 1700 years have been doing all that you say. That is why she is called the whore.
As for the literalism of revelation I don't care to get into it with you for I don't think you will even listen. I'll just say this which is how the early Christians saw the scriptures. "The letter kills. But the spirit gives life" it's the way Jesus interpreted the scriptures which was against the literal destructive views of the Pharisees who were by the way a plant by the empire from Babylon/Persia. And yes the early Christians wanted the fall of the empire but it was by the blood of the lamb which means that of the victim. Think Martin Luther king or Gandhi with passive resistance which often gets you killed. Eventually yes they became the killers but not until Constantine or just before, and definitely not the first century. The Christians fled the city to Pella when Rome sacked the city of Jerusalem in 70 ad. It was the zealotswho stayed and fought and their bodies thrown into hell. Here is a perfect example of allegory and Jesus actually. You see when Jesus speaks of people being thrown into hell in his little apocalypse in Matthew it's the word Gehenna which is the valley of Ben Hinnom. That is a real place right outside Jerusalem that the Jews defiled themselves and passed their children brought the fire to moloch. And God said I would never have even thought about doing such. ( which is opposite to the modern version of hell).
Anyway what Jesus is warning about of being thrown in hell/Gehenna is those who use violence to overcome the empire which is what was brewing in Judea. And when they did revolt a they were slaughtered and their bodies were thrown into the garbage dump and burned. That dump is Gehenna.
They tried to make him king the warrior king that would throw off the empire. But his kingdom was not of this world. It does not operate by the worlds means which is through violence. And so they went from hailing him as King to crucifying him. Because he didn't fit he bill for their messiah. When he first sat down in the synagogue and read from the scroll of Isaiah he was reading a very well known passage. It is "the lord has anointed me to bring good news, break the bonds, set the captives free" (my version I'm on my phone but that's the jist. But he left out their favorite part. The passage finishes with the wrath of God destroying the Gentiles and crowning Israel as the head of the world empire. But he didn't include that part. Very specifically. And guess what. Hey tried to kill him right after that.
I am not a Christian. I refuse that title because of the nonsense and antichrist nature of Christians which you have described. But what Christians have done is not what Christ taught. It is the empire speaking.