Spanish Airbus military plane crashes near Seville airport

The Spanish Prime Minister is recognizing three farm workers for pulling the survivors from the wreckage and fire.

Various images of the scene here -> imgur.com... from the last image in that series I'm surprised anyone survived at all tbh

a reply to: solidshot

The chunk of left wing missing is consistent with it hitting the tower/power lines. It was reported to have wheeled to the left prior to impact.

It seems the survivors were in the cockpit. One of the people that helped them said they came out of a window and slid down the wreckage.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I'm amazed there are survivors, considering what I saw of the wreckage on the news.

Lucky guys!

a reply to: stumason

Says a lot about the aircraft too, that they hit as hard as they did, but people survived, with one sounding like they suffered relatively minor injuries.

Both recorders were recovered and turned over.

Turkey has grounded their other aircraft. France has said they will continue to fly them. Malaysia hasn't said what they'll do yet.

One of the survivors is reported to have suffered stomach injuries. The other has head injuries, burns and broken bones.

France announced they will limit flights to only necessary flights. Airbus plans to continue test flights as planned unless something major comes to light. The next flight is scheduled for Tuesday in France.

The crew reported problems immediately after takeoff, but said they were minor and didn't declare an emergency, but said they were going to remain near the airport.

When they decided to return, they said they weren't going to make the runway, and requested one of the diagonal runways as being closer.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

One survivor is an engineer, the other is a mechanic.

Malaysia just announced they have grounded their aircraft.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: Zaphod58

I'm amazed there are survivors, considering what I saw of the wreckage on the news.

Lucky guys!

Yeah a real miracle

The new findings point to a massive technical problem with the test machine: The downed employees of Airbus reported a multiple engine failure shortly after takeoff.

www.spiegel.de...


Article will need to be translated (Google Chrome does this if you right click on the page and choose the option)

Basically briefly, it says, multiple engine failure after take off and the reason is unknown according to one survivor
But imo multiple turbine engines failing is kind of un characteristic . Looks like water in the fuel.
a reply to: solidshot

a reply to: Nochzwei

Not necessarily. It could have been a problem with the FADEC.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Well, the FADEC did have issues at one point, but you'd think you'd have ironed out most of the wrinkles now that deliveries are being made, and there would have to be multiple failures per engine because of redundancy. Water-contamination seems more likely, but it could be any number of things, really.

a reply to: _Del_

You would think, but it wouldn't be the first time a fix didn't work as well as they thought.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Nochzwei

Not necessarily. It could have been a problem with the FADEC.

In case of multiple engine failure FADEC problems is unlikely to be the cause.
It's a 4 engine airplane with one fail operational FADEC for each engine.

a reply to: Ivar_Karlsen

It's not likely, no, but at the same time, it wouldn't be the first time something from out in left field bit an aircraft.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Well, if an engine controller fail it won't cause engine failure, but leave the engine at the last selected thrust setting.
Each FADEC are powered from different sources, so there are several scenarios much more likely than FADEC failure.
Water in fuel as mentioned above is one of them.

a reply to: Ivar_Karlsen

Which if they were at low power settings would have screwed them.

I'm still leaning towards the engines themselves though. They've had two or three 7700s show up on my alerts in the last month or two.

The investigation is focusing on engines and fuel system. They're being delayed because the recorders were handed over to a judge who will decide who gets them and who decodes them.

Now this is interesting. Spain has revoked the certificate for test flights on aircraft being built there until a cause is determined.

Airbus had promised total transparency in the investigation, but the judge overseeing the investigation has ruled that it must be conducted in secret.