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originally posted by: moniker
Quite right, but far too many people get it wrong. The US constitution is based on the premise that everybody is born with any and all rights, and the constitution simply limits what the government can do in terms of limiting or removing them.
But it does not protect the right to arm bears, for example.
originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: Answer
Guns are how I make my living.
Cool. So this thread was simply a marketing tactic. Keep promoting fear for dollars. No worries. I have never been one to shy away from making a buck that's for sure.
I wish you much success in your endeavours.
originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Answer
So they say. Wouldn't be the first time someone was caught lieing about keeping lists and databases lol.
This thread was an attempt to show the posters of ATS who constantly ask the question "why do you think you need a gun" that there are actually real-world examples of people using guns for self defense. I'm not promoting fear at all. If I wanted to promote fear, I would have posted all the cases where someone didn't have a gun and they were raped, stabbed, strangled, beaten, burned, etc.
originally posted by: TheBolt
This thread was an attempt to show the posters of ATS who constantly ask the question "why do you think you need a gun" that there are actually real-world examples of people using guns for self defense. I'm not promoting fear at all. If I wanted to promote fear, I would have posted all the cases where someone didn't have a gun and they were raped, stabbed, strangled, beaten, burned, etc.
I believe in the sincerity of your intentions and think you succeeded in your goal and naturally there are many real life instances and infinite scenarios where guns would help innocent law abiding citizens. The obvious answer is let them have guns. There are also infinite scenarios and many real life instances where guns have caused needless accidental harm and also have caused otherwise rational people to do something extreme in a rare moment of irrationality where they wouldn't have done as much damage of they didn't happen to already have a gun within arm's reach.
Are these types of innocent victims not as worthy of being protected than victims of intentional criminal activity?
The not so obvious answer is to take away guns.
So you know that they wouldn't have grabbed a knife or blunt object and caused harm to someone? Again, the gun didn't cause them to do something irrational, it just happened to be the most effective tool available to them at the time. There are 310,000,000 privately-owned firearms in the U.S. and that doesn't count police-issued firearms. There are ~30,000 homicides and suicides with guns each year.
originally posted by: TheBolt
Less guns overall with more in the safer hands before problems happen seems like a good idea to me over unlimited guns in anyone's hands with restrictions only after an incident on someone's record. You would still have the "right" to have access to a gun should you choose.