ASWAN QUARRY Was it really STONE POUNDERS Which left these marks?

In this post I would like to make a case for Lost Ancient Technology being used in the production of the Obelisks in the Aswan Quarry.

The conventional wisdom states that the obelisks were pounded out with stone pounders but that’s not the case. I believe that the Ancient Egyptians inherited this site and tried to replicate the techniques and marks they found there by using the only tools that they possessed - stone pounders.

As you can see by using that method you wouldn’t get very far.

‘Right Click’ then ‘View Image’ the photos are very large.

The Obelisk



These marks were not made with stone pounders -



Underneath

This area underneath the Obelisk is just too narrow and certainly not high enough for anyone to swing a stone ball at it. Also the angle is too acute for it to have been made with a pounder unless that is they were using gold ball size pounders which makes no sense.











Channels





Holes

Again here some of the angles are too acute for stone pounders to have been used











The edge of this hole rules out the use of stone pounders as it’s far too crisp -





Floor





Walls

Here we see the same marks on some walls. Obviously not pounding stones out here -







Here we see similar marks, were they pounded out with stone balls too? Doubtful.



When it comes to these structures you will always be asked to suspend logic and accept theories which simply do not match the practical work that has been done.

Keep searching for the TRUTH!

More photos here - kinozal-lai.ru...

These pics remind me of rotary tool chatter....Unbelievable stuff though, thanks.

a reply to: JamesTB

a reply to: JamesTB

Thanks for the presentation and the excellent photos. It does give someone a lot to think about. Perhaps we'll come across some reliefs somewhere that will show us all the tools and methods used to erect such monoliths. Until then, I can only marvel and wonder.

a reply to: JamesTB

I'm tracking with your thought process...I would agree that evidence suggest an as yet undetermined mining technique. Perhaps a sonic device??? Curious.

I am upset though, at the trash left in some of those pictures by undoubtedly, tourists.

a reply to: JamesTB

Pounders/Hammer-stones absolutely do work.

I've pounded out most of a Quartzite axe head using Flint hammer-stones, until i broke the piece (it was the first time i had tried such a task) and decided to concentrate on something else instead.

I've used Granite hammer-stones as the striking tool when knapping Flint tools as well. Although the granite is harder than the Flint that it is striking, it still takes wear very noticeably, and more quickly than i initially expected.

Also, it's generally accepted that hammer stones were not swung - no "swing room" is needed as the motion usually only involves moving the hammer a handful of inches of so - it's not like using an axe or a sledgehammer in any way at all, body-motion wise.

On pics 3-6 you are just mistaken when saying the angle is too acute. A fist-sized Hammerstone could just be attached to a haft in a number of different ways and there would be no problem accessing those areas. It would be hard work and tough on the muscles, but that is simply not an obstacle to completing any task.

The hole where you say the edge is too crisp to have been pounded out - why does it have to have been pounded?

There are other methods of working stone with other stone - that shape could have been achieved by scraping or grinding.

So yes, hammer stones.

Thing is though, for there to be a reasonable alternative and for that to be as reasonable as hammer-stones, it has to meets the level of evidence that we have for hammer-stones.

We have to examine the materials they could have be made from, how they were powered, who made them and what remains of these tools, or what remains of similar tools from the same or nearby cultures that could point to their existence or technological feasibility.

Otherwise it's really just incredulity and fantasy.

a reply to: JamesTB

Visualize a task supervisor saying, "OK, people (slaves) this marked spot is where you will work. You only will work here. I will be able to tell if you are working as I expect by the end of the day. If you lag behind the others in the amount you chip, you will pay dearly for the laziness."

Not to mention that the rounding of about all corners are clear evidence for the use of ball hammers.

a reply to: JamesTB

Great thread, and fantastic exemplar images, I must say. They illustrate the point you are trying to make perfectly, in that, indeed, these surfaces DO appear too crisp to have been hammered out with some sort of pounding gear... if that pounding had taken place in the last twenty years, in an area which is not known for extremely abrasive, sand filled winds.

However, I wonder if you have taken proper account of the erosion factor, of those sand saturated winds, blowing into and around these surfaces. Entropy is a powerful force.

That's pretty wicked...

I think its obvious these people must have had a way to soften stone that we don't know about...

I seem to recall something very similar in china, where the builders managed to cut through the entire side of a mountain to make a stair case...

S&F

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JamesTB

Great thread, and fantastic exemplar images, I must say. They illustrate the point you are trying to make perfectly, in that, indeed, these surfaces DO appear too crisp to have been hammered out with some sort of pounding gear... if that pounding had taken place in the last twenty years, in an area which is not known for extremely abrasive, sand filled winds.

However, I wonder if you have taken proper account of the erosion factor, of those sand saturated winds, blowing into and around these surfaces. Entropy is a powerful force.

Thank you and that’s a good point that you’ve brought up. Firstly, as far as I’m aware these sites have been covered in sand for quite sometime which has obviously preserved them …



Also and I think more telling are the obelisk’s which were positioned and have stood in the winds for thousands of years. The hieroglyphs still look crisp on them and not smoothed down like on the unfinished surfaces –

a reply to: JamesTB

I work with stone. In my experience, these marks are absolutely consistent with stone "pounders". One person works in one area at a time, they move down the row and create those marks that you see; I've done it and it looks a lot like those kind sequential scoops that are in your photo. Or have several people working in unison in different areas and you would get a similar effect either way. There is plenty of room to swing in those tight spaces as well. You don't need a full on extended swing to make progress, in fact, that is rarely done. It is a motion that requires only a few inches.

originally posted by: donktheclown
These pics remind me of rotary tool chatter....Unbelievable stuff though, thanks.

a reply to: JamesTB

Reminds me of marks made by the misuse of a power washer on stone. People that don't know how to handle a power washer when cleaning stone often etch the stone and it looks similar to what we see in some of the pics. So maybe they used powerful hydraulics or even some form of sand blaster to cut the stone.

Reminds me of marks made by the misuse of a power washer on stone.

a reply to: Bilk22


That's true. Giant water jet, perhaps?

originally posted by: donktheclown
These pics remind me of rotary tool chatter....Unbelievable stuff though, thanks.

a reply to: JamesTB

Funny, the first thing i thought of was rotary tool markings on a bigger scale.

Maybe some type of grinding wheel used with a rope and gear system.

a reply to: JamesTB

Every time we think we figured it out, a new construction/extraction site goes 'shaken not stirred' on what we 'think' we got figured out! great post thanks )

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originally posted by: bkfd54
a reply to: JamesTB
I am upset though, at the trash left in some of those pictures by undoubtedly, tourists.

Just scream it out loud mate - i'm going blasphemy!
The tourists take WAY better care littering through these areas compared to them local imbeciles who they call people who guard and take care of the sites (sigh...)


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I am sorry but all those smooth dimples in the stone look exactly like stone pounding/grinding.

originally posted by: bkfd54
a reply to: JamesTB

I'm tracking with your thought process...I would agree that evidence suggest an as yet undetermined mining technique. Perhaps a sonic device??? Curious.

I am upset though, at the trash left in some of those pictures by undoubtedly, tourists.

sonic device? like what for example you loon!

a reply to: defiythelie

To me those look round and the depressions in Aswan look square. Maybe not that big of a deal. I'm not a stone worker but I can tell that those two examples look far from exact.

James. Do you have a picture of the wall in Aswan that looks like a slab of granite has been removed with surgical presision? Sorry if that's unambiguous but that's the best I can come up with. Thanks for all the great post. I don't know if you are right but I respect you for putting in the time and effort.

originally posted by: BGTM90
a reply to: defiythelie

To me those look round and the depressions in Aswan look square. Maybe not that big of a deal. I'm not a stone worker but I can tell that those two examples look far from exact.

James. Do you have a picture of the wall in Aswan that looks like a slab of granite has been removed with surgical presision? Sorry if that's unambiguous but that's the best I can come up with. Thanks for all the great post. I don't know if you are right but I respect you for putting in the time and effort.

Yes I've often wondered about the 'squareness' of the cuts certainly food for thought.

Here's the pics you asked for you can find many more if you search the Russian site I posted in the OP. The Laboratory of Alternative History (Russian site) is packed with info and photos. You can easily maneuver around it in Google Translate. Back to the photos, yes this is clear evidence of Lost Technology -

originally posted by: BGTM90
a reply to: defiythelie

To me those look round and the depressions in Aswan look square. Maybe not that big of a deal. I'm not a stone worker but I can tell that those two examples look far from exact.

James. Do you have a picture of the wall in Aswan that looks like a slab of granite has been removed with surgical presision? Sorry if that's unambiguous but that's the best I can come up with. Thanks for all the great post. I don't know if you are right but I respect you for putting in the time and effort.

This photo shows the 'squareness' of the marks better.

I fail to see how these angles could be achieved with stone pounders.