Clueless who to vote for in the the UK GE?

a reply to: paraphi

Is that the best you can do? Complain about the fact they went to public school, like 10% of the population in the UK. Come on, it's cheap and repetitive.

I don't wish to appear pedantic, but it's actually about 7%.

And it's about which public school one attended.

Isn't it amazing that those who attended the 'right' private schools are massively over represented in the upper levels of the judiciary / military / police / Civil Service / government / banking / commerce and industry?

Blair had more privately educated people in his cabinet than any other government since the 1800's - a feat since surpassed by Cameron.

That is a damning indictment on this country - and is it coincidental that during this period the overall standard of living of the ordinary British working man has gone down whilst it has increased quite significantly for the highest earners in our society?

But I fear I digress.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Remember Lord Sutch coming to my town to contest a high profile by-election many years ago.
I was fortunate enough to have a couple of pints with him on a few occasions - cracking bloke.

It seems that in the following years I've developed a degree of contempt for those in Westminster that far outstrips his - yet I do admire the way he expressed his with humour.

originally posted by: and14263
You get annoyed easily... I wonder if that's a personal thing or a result of the society that we live in?

No, I'm not easily annoyed. I just feel that the personalisation of politics based on where someone was educated is meaningless and lowers the debate. It's what comes out of their mouths that counts.

Regards

originally posted by: blupblup
Here's another one google just turned up.... try this.


It's far more in-depth and may take some time.


voteforpolicies.org.uk...

I did 4 categories/questions and picked 4 sets of policies.
In every single one, I chose (although I didn't know it) Labour


Economy – Labour
Environment – Labour
Health / NHS – Labour
Welfare – Labour


Very interesting...

originally posted by: crazyewok
with the UK general elections coming up Im at a loss.

To me not voting achieves nothing as there will all ways be someone who does vote and that means a goverment will be elected not voting just makes you irrelevant.

But the option are so depressing....

Conservatives: Ok my local MP is ok and some of the newer generation MP are ok. But I despise the old school torys. George Osborne is the embodiment of of a pure etonite , I detest Theressa May with every atom of my body and think she is a bitter old battleaxe who likely gets off on NAZI porn, Iain drunken Smith is a class A twat and Cameron himself a spineless buffoon who who makes statements he cant back up or which are not practical and is a puppet of the super rich.

Labor: God NO! There last government nearly bankrupted us and nearly turned us into another broke EU country!
That is unforgivable on its own.

But they also gave us the Iraq war and Tony Blair the smiley faced bastard also sold our sovereignty out to the EU and US!

And now with millipede at the helm? My bathroom sponge as more leadership material than him!
No way can he stand up to the EU and US, he will be there bitch.
If a Labor goverment gets in the UK may aswell change our flag to this:

UKIP:
I was thinking of voteing for them.
Until Nigel Farrage started blaming immigrants for EVERYTHING including the traffic.

Sure unregulated immigration is a problem, but its not the ONLY problem in the UK and in fact to me is only a symptom of BIGGER problems.

UKIP seem to be only focused on immigration , immigration and immigration.

I want a goverment that acknowledges the bigger picture.

There only redeeming feature at the moment is they will tell the EU were to stick it.

Greens:
I disagree with about 99% of there manifesto.
A win for this party would mean me taking a job in Canada. I would not be able to live under there eco tyranny without cracking and going full guy forks on them.

Lib Dems:
These seem the only viable option and saying that leaves a bile in my throat.
There are sell outs and would bring the UK closer to the EU.

But they are not Labor, Greens , UKIP or Torys..........


What choices do I have

I always thought not voting was the same as abstaining, or just going along with the majority (dont do that)
For the last few years I have spoilt my vote, it means getting off my ass and walking to the polining station, but I dont vote, I write a message on my ballot paper saying something along the lines of "I have no faith in any of you, this is a none vote" I dont know if it makes any difference,but at least my concience is clear

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: and14263
You get annoyed easily... I wonder if that's a personal thing or a result of the society that we live in?

No, I'm not easily annoyed. I just feel that the personalisation of politics based on where someone was educated is meaningless and lowers the debate. It's what comes out of their mouths that counts.

Regards

But were one is educated normally has a bearing on not only what they say but who there policy's will benefit.

This is a tough one...enough people are in the same predicament...do you waste a vote...you choose ukip cause the rest are a mess...but ukip ends up in power because everyone is thinking the same to show the mains parties they are messing up...so we end up with four years of a racist party which then makes 20 yrs of bad policy that needs to be undone...but allowing either labour or conservatives in we end up with more of the same good ole Eaton boy crap that we have been subjected to for the last great many years.
So wasting your vote has the same effect as voting for ukip but maybe with less chance of them getting in. Ukip will ruin the county IMHO but we think it can't be any worse then Ukip starts enacting policy for the few instead of the majority...I myself am worried about this election because in the end....it will be us the public that loses on all counts.....I have been watching all the people I know suffer under the hack and slash conservative as they tout their great economic rise...as I watch people working all hours...taking multiple jobs...not to get ahead but just to get by....I have to watch family life suffer...and watched friends lose their homes...while the evil media sings praise for economic recovery as gas prices fall but food prices sky rocket...and they call this a turn around because fuel is included in the CPI....they are all scum....so in this election it is all about trying to pick the lesser of the scum....well....there lays the problem....they are equal on the scum scale.

a reply to: paraphi

I just feel that the personalisation of politics based on where someone was educated is meaningless and lowers the debate.

So are we to disregard the clear disproportionate influence and representation privately educated people have?

I agree that where someone was educated does not preclude someone from being well intentioned or a good person.
But we should ask ourselves why so many people from these privileged and exclusive backgrounds gain so much power and influence in so many spheres.

And perhaps if we start redressing this we will in turn go some way towards turning this country into a better place to live for all of us.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
If you have experienced and understand the last 35 years of UK politics then the only choice on the table for a fairer society and a cap on greed is a vote for Labour!

I

~The same Labor that nearly bankrupted the UK?

That brought us the Iraq war?

That sold our sold sovereignty multiple times to the USA and EU?

The same Labor that sold off our gold reserves?


They had there chance and the #ed up royally.

The country as a debt mountain of 1.2 trillion GBP which doubled under this current Government!
Vote Labour or vote for the Greedy as opposed to the needy!!!

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
If you have experienced and understand the last 35 years of UK politics then the only choice on the table for a fairer society and a cap on greed is a vote for Labour!

I

~The same Labor that nearly bankrupted the UK?

That brought us the Iraq war?

That sold our sold sovereignty multiple times to the USA and EU?

The same Labor that sold off our gold reserves?


They had there chance and the #ed up royally.

The country as a debt mountain of 1.2 trillion GBP which doubled under this current Government!
Vote Labour or vote for the Greedy as opposed to the needy!!!

Yet Labour still built up the debt before.

And you still had Iraq

The selling of Gold reserves

The selling out to the EU and US


All you have done is just point out why I should not vote for either labor OR the torys.

Unlike you I have a long long memory.


Labor had there chance between 1997-2010 and failed.

The torys between 2010-2015 and have come up short too.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: Britguy

I'm voting for you.

Thank you, but I'm too honest to be a politician and would feel dirty just walking into that cesspit they call parliament.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
If you have experienced and understand the last 35 years of UK politics then the only choice on the table for a fairer society and a cap on greed is a vote for Labour!

I

~The same Labor that nearly bankrupted the UK?

That brought us the Iraq war?

That sold our sold sovereignty multiple times to the USA and EU?

The same Labor that sold off our gold reserves?


They had there chance and the #ed up royally.

The country as a debt mountain of 1.2 trillion GBP which doubled under this current Government!
Vote Labour or vote for the Greedy as opposed to the needy!!!

UK debt has increased by from 0.5 trillion to 1.2 trillion throughout the lifetime of this conservative government.
The largest debt increase ever over a government term.
This is why the country and its people are screwed.
The so called improving economy is not improving for 70% of the population.
Big fail!! Down with the greedy bast.rds!

a reply to: crazyewok

Yet Labour still built up the debt before.

Due to the 'failings' of the previous administration(s).

And you still had Iraq

And how many 'illegal' or 'immoral' wars have we been (mis)led into before by previous governments?

The selling of Gold reserves

Again, not for the first time.

The selling out to the EU and US

Both started donkey's years before Blair was elected - he just continued the process, same as Cameron.

All you have done is just point out why I should not vote for either labor OR the torys.

Indeed....we need radical reform of the whole system, it's outlived its fit for purpose.

Labor had there chance between 1997-2010 and failed.

The torys between 2010-2015 and have come up short too.

And before Blair so did The Tories from '79 to '97, and before that.....blah blah blah.

See where we go when we play the blame game.

The issue of the current crop of political criminals all coming from private school has nothing to do with jealousy or some working class disdain for the toffs.
What it is about is those attending those private schools being groomed whilst there for political office and the nasty little clubs and societies they join. These places select those who show promise, usually a lack of compassion for others, sociopath tendencies and craving for control are looked upon as leadership qualities best suited to maintaining the status quo and serving the system.

In other words, those actively seeking, and being granted power over others, are the very people who should never be handed such control.

a reply to: Britguy

Great post.

I don't think many people realise the level of control these people have in every single sphere and aspect of our society.

And that is a damning indictment of this country......and the people who allow it to continue.

Everything surrounding our electoral and parliamentary procedures is geared around maintaining the incestuous relationship between government and the upper levels of the judiciary / military / police / bankers / industrialists / media / clergy / civil service etc.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: crazyewok

Yet Labour still built up the debt before.

Due to the 'failings' of the previous administration(s).

And you still had Iraq

And how many 'illegal' or 'immoral' wars have we been (mis)led into before by previous governments?

The selling of Gold reserves

Again, not for the first time.

The selling out to the EU and US

Both started donkey's years before Blair was elected - he just continued the process, same as Cameron.

All you have done is just point out why I should not vote for either labor OR the torys.

Indeed....we need radical reform of the whole system, it's outlived its fit for purpose.

Labor had there chance between 1997-2010 and failed.

The torys between 2010-2015 and have come up short too.

And before Blair so did The Tories from '79 to '97, and before that.....blah blah blah.

See where we go when we play the blame game.

Again you you spelled out why I should not vote for EITHER.

I'm in the same predicament..
All politicians see the working man from an ivory tower.
I've worked abroad in many countries and I know what it's like to be underpaid labour. I don't resent immigration but to come to another country expecting a house and a weekly payment for doing nothing I don't agree with. You should speak the language and expect nothing.
The stories you see in the news about useless NHS emergency calls etc. People going to A&E because they can't get an appointment at the Doctors. They should be charged a standard fee.
The politicians think we're coming out of a recession because of falsified reports.
Employment has gone down because of the amount of middle class unemployed. They don't get benefits because they own a house, and usually their partner is working.
To get the max benefits in the UK you have to be single (with kids ideally), living on your own and over 18.
OR disabled.
So the UN-educated have no factory work anymore (the new factories in the UK are Call Centres/ Sales). If you have no education e.g GCSE's A' Levels etc and are presentable then it's off to the warehouse. If you can't get either then they earn more from crime.
Ideally we should bring back conscription.
As the single young females declare living alone to stay on benefits because they can't live and compete with cheaper foreign labour compared to benefits. The children grow up without a father figure for discipline and inspiration. 1 Parent can not be good and bad. Remember when you was a kid? Boys manipulate the mother and girls the father. That's the way we develop. If you're only brought up by 1 parent then your child either hates you or loves you.

I don't know what the solutions are, but those are the problems.
Within the next year the UK economy will implode. Look around you, people are skint. The middle classes that are unemployed are now at the end of their savings. People will be selling their houses just to survive (but there's no public housing left because there's more singles living alone).

Has Bez from the Happy Mondays still got a party?
Have UKIP got any other policies besides immigration?

a reply to: Britguy

You my friend are absolutely correct..that is why I termed the Eaton ole boys club....they are absolutely groomed and predestined to be run in the forum...it is no different than the Roman era of government...that is why Nigel farage is not in the club...but in all honesty I do believe Farage would be a nightmare for the UK...but would he be any worse than the boys club in there at the moment I am not sure....but at least it might wake some of the good ole boys up a wee bit...but could the UK survive the turmoil over the years that Ukip were in there...I am from canada...been here in the UK for 12 yrs....voted labour..as I saw some good in them....but watched them drag the country down...watched now as the Tory's dragged the UK down....but have come to realise that the witch Maggie is and has been the real downfall of the UK for which the country has never really recovered from....this is all just my opinion....but when you start to destroy the peoples ability to to provide for their families you destroy a nation.

In the short time I have been able to vote, this has always been the problem, who do I vote for? None of these parties seem to reflect my views or beliefs, while I may agree with some policies, others disgust me.

If I were to pick the best out of a bad bunch it would regrettably be the conservatives, as they seem to be doing a better job than the labour party did in their last term in charge. The Lib Dems sit on the fence so much that there piles have got piles and would struggle to follow through on most of their policies. UKIP had my vote, but as their focus seems to be solely on immigration I have started to doubt wether they actually have any views at all on other issues. The greens shouldn't come into the debate at all.

The system is flawed by design not by accident,none of the main parties will make your life much noticeably better/worse once in power, they will just do their best to stay in power and watch the money pile up. Every party is in it for their own gain and not for the benefit of the public so it comes down to which you like the least, Rich people, Poor people, Foreigners or you like everything (Lib Dem).

The system will stay this way until we get fed up of the same old BS and revolt.

yes its all us conspiracy people going silly about going to the 'right school' or kissing the ASS of their corporate masters its not obvious at all....

The Bullingdon Club

Information below taken form THIS Article



1) the Hon. Edward Sebastian Grigg, the heir to Baron Altrincham of Tormarton and current chairman of Credit Suisse (UK)
(2) David Cameron
(3) Ralph Perry Robinson, a former child actor, designer, furniture-maker
(4) Ewen Fergusson, son of the British ambassador to France, Sir Ewen Fergusson and now at City law firm Herbert Smith
(5) Matthew Benson, the heir to the Earldom of Wemyss and March
(6) Sebastian James, the son of Lord Northbourne, a major landowner in Kent
(7) Jonathan Ford, the-then president of the club, a banker with Morgan Grenfell
(8) Boris Johnson, the-then president of the Oxford Union, now Lord Mayor of London
9) Harry Eastwood, the investment fund consultant.



In the photo taken in 1992, there are eight famous faces:
(1) George Osborne, now the Shadow Chancellor;
(2) writer Harry Mount, the heir to the Baronetcy of Wasing and Mr. Cameron’s cousin;
(3) Chris Coleridge, the descendant of Samuel Taylor Coleridge, the son of Lloyds’ chairman David Coleridge, the brother of Conde Nast managing director Nicholas Coleridge
(4) German aristocrat and managing consultant Baron Lupus von Maltzahn,
(5) the late Mark Petre, the heir to the Barony of Petre;
(6) Australian millionaire Peter Holmes a Cour;
(7) Nat Rothschild, the heir to the Barons Rothschilds and co-founder of a racy student paper with Harry Mount
(8) Jason Gissing, the chairman of Ocado supermarkets.

Two figures on left of (6) and (7) were blacked out before the photo was released, causing wild allegations. Their identities are yet unknown. My top contenders (based on the influence in the City, the Athenaeum and their Oxford prominence) include:

(1) the Hon. Michael Gove, Shadow Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families, former president of the Oxford Union and “one-man think-tank”
(2) the Hon. Adam Bruce, the son of the Earl of Elgin and incumbent Unicorn Pursuivant of Arms
(3) the Hon. Edward Vaizey, the son of Lord Vaizey and the Shadow Minister for Culture
(4) the founder of Think Tank Policy Exchange, and conservative activist Nicholas Boles
(5) Steven Hilton, the director of strategy for Cameron and godfather of Cameron’s children.


I conceded their is actually no link whatsoever to whom these people know (or whom they were born into) or what daddy's connections are..



Its just all us being paranoid that the people running our country, and the world, are put their not voted for .. its all an illusion, now we have known this for some time but recently its even starting to filter into MSM news, tonight on sky they did a piece about 1% own 94% of worlds wealth and that just 100 people out of the UK's population of 64 MILLION own 30% of everything in the UK.

One day our brothers and sisters will awaken , and on that day the elite and their lackeys better hope their shelters are deep enough.. because they will spend a long time hiding inside.

/rant over.

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