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originally posted by: woogleuk
If I remember rightly (and I'm sure I've brought this up on ATS before), Planet X (originally) was just Pluto, but Lowell, who was searching for it (the planet which Lowell believed had a gravitational effect on the orbits of Neptune and Uranus) died before Pluto was discovered.
No.
It only became planet X when they adjusted Neptunes mass down, so that the smaller than hypothesized pluto still made sense.
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: Sublimecraft
Credible sources would be nice. Bullets do not make this any more believable than Sitchin's speculation on Nibiru.
By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1
A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth
that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation
Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.
Why 1983 is When Our World Changed
You can read a watered-down cover-up on Wikipedia, the truth about what IRAS found in 1983 and how it changed the course of human history is profound.
The real back story on IRAS was given to us by John Maynard, Defense Intelligence Agency (Retired) who played an instrumental role in the creation of Yowusa.com in 1999 and then worked with Dr. Greer's CSETI Disclosure Project.
What Maynard told us in 2000, was that while IRAS was publicly touted as a wide sky survey space based infrared telescope, it was built as a result of the preliminary data coming from the Pioneer probes suggesting a large body at the edge of our solar system.
He further maintains that NASA found Planet X and this corroborated by a December 30, 1983 article published by the Washington Post.
All of the planets? How are they being affected? What makes you think they are all being affected by the same thing?
Clearly something is effecting all of the planets at the moment and it seems to be getting worse even as our own magnetic pole increases movement.
So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby “protostar” that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through.
“All I can tell you is that we don’t know what it is,” Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.
Data have been presented on nine point sources found the the course of the IRAS minisurvey with no obvious identified optical counterparts brighter than 18.5 mag. A number of candidate identifications have been considered including near-solar system, galactic, and extragalactic objects. Further observations at infrared and other wavelengths may provide additional information in support of one of these conjectures, or perhaps these objects will require entirely different interpretations.
Could it be this? Temp. 6000 C.?
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Char-Lee
All of the planets? How are they being affected? What makes you think they are all being affected by the same thing?
Clearly something is effecting all of the planets at the moment and it seems to be getting worse even as our own magnetic pole increases movement.
Oh, you left out this part of the Washington Post article:
So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby “protostar” that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through.
“All I can tell you is that we don’t know what it is,” Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.
planet-x.150m.com...
When taken in full context, the article does give a pretty fair representation of what the original paper says, though for some reason the press narrowed it down to one object (we don't know which one) and the original paper talked about nine. Of course, no one really paid much attention to it at the time. Then, much later, the Nibiru crowd got a hold of it and started taking liberties with the context.
Here are the nine objects discussed by Houck, Neugebauer, et al. in their paper (with their designations and coordinates. Note the "1950 position" is in reference to using the 1950 epoch coordinates, it has nothing to do with when the objects were found.).
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What the paper says about them is this:
Data have been presented on nine point sources found the the course of the IRAS minisurvey with no obvious identified optical counterparts brighter than 18.5 mag. A number of candidate identifications have been considered including near-solar system, galactic, and extragalactic objects. Further observations at infrared and other wavelengths may provide additional information in support of one of these conjectures, or perhaps these objects will require entirely different interpretations.
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Aaronson and Olszewski had already identifed 0422+009 as a galaxy (1984).
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Low et al. had already identified 0412+085 as infrared cirrus (1984).
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In 1985 Houck et al. published Unidentified IRAS Sources: Ultrahigh-Luminosity Galaxies. After the original IRAS survey, six of the unknown objects were subjected to further study with the Hale telescope at Palomar. Hale identified optical sources at the location of six of the infrared sources seen by IRAS and identified them:
0358+223: a galaxy with a jetlike structure
0404+101: an "almost spiral-like" galaxy
0413+122: a group of three galaxies, one of which shows an obvious redshift
1703+049: a galaxy
1712+100: a galaxy
1732+239: a galaxy
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That leaves one unidentified infrared source; 0425-012. In 1985 Antonucci and Olszewski identified it as...a galaxy.
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Nine unknown infrared sources discovered with an instrument never before used, a space-based infrared telescope. Upon further study (actually more of a race to figure out what they were), 8 were found to be galaxies which though dim in visible light were very bright in infrared, and 1 was found to be clouds of material emitting infrared radiation. That's what astronomical research is about.
IRAS did not find an previously unknown object in the Solar System and neither did WISE.
phys.org...
Jupiter's Great Red Spot — the most powerful storm in the solar system — is at its smallest observed size yet, and scientists aren't sure why.
NASA's Cassini spacecraft has tracked the aftermath of a rare massive storm on Saturn. Data reveal record-setting disturbances in the planet's upper atmosphere
Jupiter is growing a new red spot.
“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets … Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”
While scientists had predicted that the next flip would begin from May 2013, the solar observation satellite Hinode found that the north pole of the sun had started flipping about a year earlier than expected. There was no noticeable change in the south pole.
The researchers found signs of unusual magnetic changes in the sun.
You said "all the planets". But tell me, how would a distant planet affect weather on planets without affecting their orbits?
Changes have been happening since the 90's, they argue about cause and no one seems to agree on anything but there are changes. The one thing I see all the time is "they don't know why".
What unusual magnetic changes would that be?
The researchers found signs of unusual magnetic changes in the sun.
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
• In 2008 it was reported that Google Sky was missing a patch of data from the constellation Orion - the response from Google scientists was that the missing data was due to a glitch in the stitching software used to piece the images together.