This is what insane looks like

originally posted by: LDragonFire

He then went on to randomly kill 6 people and injure another 13. This is about sex? Really? He didn't think about paying for it when all else failed, instead of a killing spree?

Wow

Whoah I think most people in life have imagined of doing away with
people they hate and possibly thought stuff like this but he has recorded
his thoughts probably to watch back and enforce his own self esteem also
he mentions the same thing in each video his name and his 8 yrs of loneliness
almost as if enforcing his will before carrying out the act as if he was a movie
star before carrying out the act, to him this was probably a game where he comes
out the winner playing the role of the victim .

He truly believed he was special in some way and as the writer had the power to
end his own story in whatever manner he seen fit, his mannerisms and
and fake laugh did not befit a troubled teen but that of someone playing a
part in a play or movie, I know if something bothers me I will chew someone's ear off
about it but to go as far as he did well I am surprised no one picked up on
his intentions earlier, anyone in their right mind would have consulted a
professional earlier, how he slipped through I don't know but someone
somewhere must be feeling guilt for not following through on instinct.

My thoughts go out to all those affected by this.

Just my 2 pence.

This is NOT what insanity looks like.

This is what drugged up, mind controlled patsy's look like.

Any shooting that is glorified on the media is obviously meticulously planned and you're all asshats for falling for it.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
a reply to: criticalhit

You should read his manifesto. I am over half way through it and it voids most of the points you make. He had a good childhood (from his own admission) with loving parents. He was well travelled before he even hit puberty and since he attended summer school on at least one occasion (so far), his parents weren't on his arse constantly about grades.

It seems to me thus far that he had some extreme social anxiety from the very beginning. I don't see the bullying he claimed happened as being severe enough (again... so far) to cause a killing spree. In fact it was tame to say the least (yet again, so far). He perceived a lot of wrong doings as personal when it wasn't. He perceived a lot of slights as personal when they weren't slights or personal.

It appears to me that he put himself where he was by his own thoughts and his own actions. Everyone around him were just living their life and he seemed to perceive that in ways that weren't accurate most all of the time.

I am going to finish reading it, as much as it sucks simply because I started it. So far my opinion is that he perceived the entire world out to get him and had really no one to blame for it other than his own feelings of inadequacy fostered by no one other than himself.

Through his own admissions, he didn't even fully know about sex until he was around 13. He saw a glimpse of porn from a friend when he was 12 and said it terrified him. He had no clue that was what men and women did together. So being overexposed didn't occur either unless he lied in his manifesto and most of it is so embarrassing, I don't know why he would.

He shows a lot of love for his mother and father. He talks about how his mother went out of her way for him and life with her was always enjoyable. He loved his father very much as well and admired him even though he was gone a lot on business. He knew they both loved him and other than summer camp and one sleepover he admits to... he was always at home. The first time he left home to go somewhere on his own he was 17.

Unless a lot changes between now and the end of the manifesto....

He had issues, but I do not think his parents were/are what you are assuming them to be.

You know, let me go back over this in defense of what i'm saying, I'm not trying to bag the parents as responsible but more to point out what our kids are exposed to unwittingly and what the best intention-ed modern parenting methods lead to...

From the start... went to summer school, this completely backs up what i'm saying in that he 'wasn't as bright as his parents wanted him to be" now i'm not saying they didn't take psych 101, that they were mean about it, or didn't show him love, but these things don't matter when a child Knows what his parents really want from him, it's being gathered he was autistic... you went on to say a lot of this was his inability to perceive correctly, blow things out of proportion... YES, he knew, inside he wasn't as bright as they wanted him to be and amplified this. Next you talk of well traveled... on the outside this might seem great, but it goes right along with "no childhood" a hotel in France isn't learning normal social skills, lets be "real" if his perceptions were a little amplified... what would that be like? Seeing other cultures young, lets go with his very attitude, we are culture-less, kind of stupid, behave badly...that sort of thing. It's true... I myself got to see Japanese students young, my god... it annoyed the crud out of me to return to an American system...now "amplify that" from a pov of mildly autistic, exaggerate it... it might be an amazing gesture from mom and dad but not "good"

Next we skip to the porn... didn't see porn until age 13? What causes a fetish? Intense exposure to sex and emotion... he uses the term "terrified" I have to throw my bet... that the manner of exposure fetish-ed him on something embarrassing, given his racial rants about sex with white girls I got bucks he was in the large Phallus/inter racial category and given his nature took it as "real" the stuff is meant to make an impact by humiliation as the locus...

and to end it.. "Dad WAS gone a lot", mom loved him "went out of the way a lot" A normal kid would complain about that... what i'm saying is obvious here, Mom definitively let it be known she "went out of the way" aka gave stuff up she rather be doing, dad wasn't around...a normal kid would rag them... this goes right on with what i was saying "fixated" on pleasing them, not being good enough, and if Dad wasn't around, mom definitely had the medicine cabinet or bar i mentioned, he talks of turning down drugs because he didn't think "they were right for him" soooo... he had a knowledge of pharmacology from somewhere, he's just telling it as he sees it...

All i'm saying again is... our society can produce some weirdness in how contrived it's become, all the details are right here.... Basically raised by a woman with Dad not around enough, psych babble mush talk but really not living up to"expectations" early "extreme" given the circumstances "porn exposure", never left home until 17, i.e. media reared... let's now add, mild victim of an ill of modern society "autism" never getting out much, trips to france instead of "friends"

I bet... when he got in trouble he got "time out" lol

The real world, he didn't live in, I am guessing 100% this kids parents did "everything right" by modern standards.... what i'm saying is "The new normal" is seriously messed up....

originally posted by: acmpnsfal

originally posted by: criticalhit
I'll pin this kid down in a heartbeat, no terms, no psychobabble, the real reason no one can actually pin down a mental illness or 100% add this up is because he doesn't suffer from any mental illness he is simply a weird creep and until we recognize that strange life circumstances and the influence of others can simply lead to a person turning out to be a "weird creep" we will never actually understand how kids like this happen. He's not a "psychopath" or anything else, just a guy who developed with strange ideas...

1: Rich parents, never got laid. So the first obvious thing here is that he was socially stunted, i'd bet a teste this kid wasn't allowed out much as a child, I see a child who was held to the house constantly, lived in a mansion of sorts, didn't ever have friends other than play dates, when he "acted out" having few social skills the other child was blamed an actual "friend" or exposure to social dynamics never happened. his personality was formed by TV and movies.

2: Despite being socially isolated "the intellectuals" that ran his life were obsessed with academic ability and "creativity" with zero social norms in his life he was in tandem pushed to read books way above his level, he was treated as an adult in conversations and allowed to watch movies from an exceptionally young age also way above his level all of this with out any "real world" social application. he probably was witness to adult parties and behavior from a very young age, fixated on sex before puberty had a medicine cabinet with access to drugs of his choice legal and otherwise.

In short... he was raised in a way that turned him into a creep

plain ol creep, nothing fancy going on here... let your kid play in the mud, Dantes inferno isn't a book for a 4 year old, your hyper idealistic political beliefs are't dinner conversation in kindergarten, "play dates" aren't friends, the Tv is not a babysitter, unattended time on a computer will lead to massive porn exposure and unrealistic sexual expectations, being there and giving Love is more important than your career sometimes, your adult parties downstairs will be seen and heard and lock your god damn medicine cabinet...

This guy had aspergers so its possible that women were hitting on him and he didn't pick up on it. Actually the root of his problem probably stemmed from that. It's possible he didn't understand social norms which is why in the videos he seems to be talking like he thinks life is a movie. He wasn't just a creep, there was a real medical reason why he wasn't exactly socially graceful. His writings and ramblings clearly show he was a psychopath, normal people don't think like that, even with aspergers.

You know... aspergers has become the new "excuse" en vouge for screwed up kids replacing ADD with a more serious sounding name and more viable condition.

This is going to sound "mean" and I'm sorry

I think both ADD and mild Aspergers have always been around (not they aren't real) but the human brain can rewire itself based on exposure and environment, I think the existence into adulthood of these conditions in their mild form has been perpetuated by modern psychology and psychiatry and our attempt to be better human beings...

One of the great methods of rewiring the mind is fear and consequence, does the "aspie" child not have the same ability to understand emotions of others as the next kid... sure, absolutely. Do you know what does wire emotional understanding and empathy? Sorry.... really sorry to say it... getting your butt whooped. What we have "gone with" in response to the screaming 3 year old is "time out" "rational adult conversation" etc... what we used to do was tar that kids rear end. I'm sorry... that will wire in "empathy" for moms situation as fast as falling off a bike wires in a sense of balance...

I'm not trying to be a jerk, at all... but the brain is set up for "reward and consequence" get rid of the "consequence" aspect and yeah...the kids whose brains are less innate to wire right that way will never wire right that way and remain "aspie" and yeah it will show up on a brain scan and be real... never speak a language to a kid his brain will look like animals in some ways... that doesn't make it a "disease" (don't get me wrong the predisposition is there in genetics and in some really severe and very real"

Like above, prior post... The parents did "everything right"

They never spanked this kid... he claims he was mildly bullied, others have expressed disbelief it was much... me too, I think anti bullying worked fine in his life...so of course when being a bit "off" he was never "socially adjusted" by his parents or peers he really has no comprehension of what happens to him after injuring and killing a bunch of people....

a reply to: criticalhit
From what you're saying it sounds like this was an over-the-top case of a spoiled brat being sent out into the world with a pile of money and no supervision on how to use it or behave himself in civilized company. Could this be a decent distillation of your last?

Having worked within the public education facilities as a computer tech for about 15 years I saw so many people throwing around the psychology jargon like this but I know only a small fraction actually knew what they were talking about - no reflection on you, however. I think you've come pretty close to nailing it on the head about this kid.

One of the latest news articles say that he was seeing a counselor since he was 8. I haven't read the article yet but has there been any evidence reported to the public that this kid was on any type of prescribed mood altering drug? Being California I'd have to say it would be a complete surprise to find out he wasn't.

As a kid I have many memories of getting my butt beaten for a host of reasons. I've always had the view that it was the best "counseling" that I ever received! Sure, there were plenty of times that I'd been sat down and told exactly how I was supposed to "straighten up and fly right" but there was always the "or else!" that didn't have to be spoken that drove the point home. Parents don't always get it right but I've always held, and I think it's still a silent majority opinion, that swatting the "reset button" on the backside when it's needed helps create the best adults. Denying that option has been one of the ways the insanity that this world has become has been foisted on us by the bleeding heart liberals.

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01
ah yeah there is something wrong, this kid was loaded, he drove a beamer, his old man was the assistant producer on one of the biggest teen movies at this point in time. to quote Eddie Murphy "he would have had # hitting him in the street like freebies"
I'm not buying it.

But maybe that is exactly the problem? Maybe he had it all and thought just like you. It was so unbelievable to him that no-one wanted him. But I bet he would try to force himself on girls. Like take very little effort to seduce them. Because well, he's king dong and has money and a nice car so they should just want him! Why should HE have to do anything?

He comes across as weird, awkward and slimey... Not really what most girls look for... Damn shame it had to end with people losing their lives. As others have mentioned, prostitutes should have been his answer, or just relieving oneself may of helped. Meh... Its done now.

a reply to: LDragonFire

This isn't insanity to me. All I see is a supposedly socially awkward individual. I know because i'm also socially awkward. No one here would be acting as if he was the epitome of insanity if he hadn't allegedly done this crime.

originally posted by: JudgeEden
a reply to: LDragonFire

This isn't insanity to me. All I see is a supposedly socially awkward individual. I know because i'm also socially awkward. No one here would be acting as if he was the epitome of insanity if he hadn't allegedly done this crime.

Basically this; extreme social awkwardness, narcissism and some psychopathy (unable to empathize with others).

It's a sad mix, but clearly not full-blown psychosis.

What is problematic though is the resentment he built over almost ten years, based on his incorrect understanding of the world.

Though he knew he was shy, he thought all he needed to do to have girlfriends and friends was to look cool, and not to actually be more social. This is where he was wrong, and thus for 10 years he tried really hard to be cool and couldn't understand why people wouldn't naturally flock to him because of his coolness.

This is where the delusion kicks in, and where he thinks "people rejected and bullied him" for years, when in fact he was too shy to make the first step. Then he blamed the world for his situation, became bitter, and finally suicidal and angry.


Delusion can be extremely sneaky, and someone who seems totally normal can in fact host completely crazy beliefs even when reality contradicts them. The only way to avoid this is to have the humility to admit we are not always right and we don't know everything, which is something he was obviously lacking because of his narcissism.

To me he seems like the typical product of a materialistic culture, where human relationships are superficial and social status is the only goal.

a reply to: JudgeEden
Actually, you are quite wrong. Many people, on many forums of the internet recognized his deep mental issues and told him he needed psych help. Not much more we can do at these places other than that.

a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

Ahh! I'm not really familiar with autism other than knowing one kid who has it. That would be a weird condition, - to try and feel like or emulate human emotions or what they perceive them to be. That's sad. One of my former band mates' kid was autistic but I didn't treat him any different than anyone else. I was the only person besides his mom and dad that he would come to. The first time I met him he ran up to me and hugged me and laid his head on my lap(I was sitting in a chair when I met him). His mom and dad couldn't figure that one out, but kids have always flocked to me, and so don't animals. I felt very privileged.

Are they linking his crime to autism or some other mental condition? I haven't really been following it.

originally posted by: Fylgje
a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

Are they linking his crime to autism or some other mental condition? I haven't really been following it.

I'm pretty sure you will hear tons of different explanations.

The thing is humans are complex and his crime is a sum of various things accumulated over almost ten years, as you can read in his manifesto.

He was followed for his psychological problems but they are hardly the only cause. The main reason was his bitterness and anger at society, because he felt he deserved to be loved and admired (and also to have sex) and wouldn't understand why it wouldn't happen automatically (he was shy and would not initiate conversations), so he started to believe everyone rejected and hated him.

So he wanted revenge.

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFarts

He was followed for his psychological problems but they are hardly the only cause. The main reason was his bitterness and anger at society, because he felt he deserved to be loved and admired (and also to have sex) and wouldn't understand why it wouldn't happen automatically (he was shy and would not initiate conversations), so he started to believe everyone rejected and hated him.

So he wanted revenge.

You seem trying to rationalize his behavior, but there is nothing rational about it, he had a sick mind and there MUST've been a serious underlying mental condition, nevertheless.

TBH, being a virgin at 20 and not having a GF is not exactly something extremely rare. Don't ask me when I actually had sex the first time, lol. There are likely countless like him who GOD BEWARE are still virgins in their late teens, however they don't go postal and develop "women concentration camp" fantasies because of it. Please.

Worrying about sex, maybe even being "obsessed" about girls and sex I'd actually consider normal, especially at that age. Heck, every "healthy" male in my opinion goes through that. Shyness is also not an extreme rare condition which at some point would make one buy weapons and shoot random people.

His illness/condition was that he didn't go through such a phase like anyone else who at some point learns to cope or simply "grows up" and then at some point looks at things differently.

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

He was autistic, not psychotic. Of course autism and narcissism played a role, but he wouldn't go to that extreme if he did not rationalize his actions himself. Which he did.

You can believe it was all a breakdown, but it was very calculated and reflected and maybe you should read his manifesto before making any comments about what was going through his head or not.

He wrote extensively about his killing and the reasons behind it so there is really no need to speculate here.

Was he delusional? Of course. But if every delusional person is a potential murderer then half of ATS is.

If you are not a psychotic you still need a motive for such a killing, and in his deluded mind, he had one.

originally posted by: Jungian

There is an equal amount of little boys and men which are abused every day too, but do they report to someone who could report the stats for WHO to report some more about it? Nope. For a woman its common sense to report abuse, which should be the general rule of thumb for any human. But for a man in the same situation? I see that happen once every decade.

This isn't a race to the bottom..there are DOZENS of reports I could list on male rape victims 93.7% ( USA CDC report on male rape 2012 ) of whom were also abused.... by men.

Common sense to report abuse hm?

Seems to me you know little of abuse and affect.

a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

Wrong, they favored the party that wrote a law requiring every person to buy insurance, providing them all a bailout package, and now requiring businesses to offer insurance no matter the cost increases.

Look at all of the recent mass shootings and they all are liberals. Coincidence or do Liberals raise a disproportionate amount of psycho and sociopaths?

a reply to: Rosha

I will say to that post, I will never wish my worst enemy on fire. Dealing with 3rd, 2nd and 1st degree burns. I don't care how gay you try to make it. I sat in an emergency room for an hour on fire before they realized the burns. I recovered fully. That is the most painful thing I ever went through.

I am not real familiar with this case already, it is the first time I have seen these videos, though I had heard of them vaguely.

I think this guy could not get laid because women could sense he had a screw loose. I would have picked up on the predator vibe in a second and run at the sight of him.

What struck me was the similarity to another murderer- Luka Magnotta, a Canadian who was putting videos online of him killing puppies and such, until one day he put up one of him killing, dismembering, eating, and doing acts of necrophilia upon a chinese student.


But his face and that of this boy are so similar, and he also had that crazy vibe, extreme narcissism, and a desire to be worshipped, using images and the internet to be known.

It made me wonder fi there might not be a genetic influence to such traits? Some behavioral traits have been found to be correlated with specific physical traits for some reason- perhaps there is some here?



Luka Magnotta
Maybe this IS what insane looks like?

a reply to: Loveaduck

Based off your statement you have absolutely zero understanding for how the legal sale of a firearm is conducted here in the United States. As an actual FFL holder, I think I know more about what it takes than you do.

Now if you want to talk about the illegal sale of firearms, then well that is an entirely different story. Hopefully you are intelligent enough to know criminals don't follow the law, so they don't really give a crap about background checks.

a reply to: Bluesma

You are correct - They could be brothers.

originally posted by: Stuship
a reply to: Loveaduck

Based off your statement you have absolutely zero understanding for how the legal sale of a firearm is conducted here in the United States. As an actual FFL holder, I think I know more about what it takes than you do.

Now if you want to talk about the illegal sale of firearms, then well that is an entirely different story. Hopefully you are intelligent enough to know criminals don't follow the law, so they don't really give a crap about background checks.

I know...funny aint it? The only ones who don't want background checks are the "gun owners" the NRA and gun mfgs (yourself) of course. Reason is a lot of them are protecting gun owners and buyers "enthusiasts" who are already section 8. These people don't want to risk getting their ammoerotica nipped in the bud...ie their guns taken away from them, based on the provable fact they are a risk to themselves and others. Gun manufacturers want to be able to sell to everyone. Just like the tobacco people. They don't care who it kills. If they could sell bombs, they would. This is what we call FREEDOM. Aint it grand? LOL